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    Posted: 24 May 12 at 11:54am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

If this economy ever turns and business builds back to normality

Do you think it will any time soon?  I'd say expensive dinghies (especially single handers for Dad) are one of the minor casualties of this economic downturn, for club racers anyway.  I very much think the landscape of the sport as we see it will change semi-permenantly into more club-centric with holiday top ups and as such the better club race boats will become even more popular as they deliver good racing and a safer investment.

So yes, we'll all get to sail a new trap and/or asymmetric kited boat, but we'll do it on holiday, at a beach somewhere warm and sunny.  We won't bother trying to make one work in a crappy handicap race at a shifty duck pond, no matter how RTC friendly the demo-boys say they are and no matter what changes the RYA think they're making to the PY system.  


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If this economy ever turns and business builds back to normality I will have another go at the V thing, this time without the flat grabby planing hull shape, if nothing else appears as a diversion in the meanwhile.

I'm contemplating re visiting the twin with space frame and hollow side tanks to push the planing on sea type of approach, but realise how totally useless such a craft would be on a lake. This lake has opened my eyes a bit to what you all have to deal with, I can also see why the Assym revolution of the nineties failed and why the majority of the market is so moribund, I even get why they didn't kite the blaze.
 I do wonder however why those furling jib genniker things didn't get developed for small lake bound craft to vary the size of their off wind power..
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To clarify, this was a suggestion within the context of this thread... the ultimate conclusion being the next instalment of Graeme's journey into the weird and wonderful eccentricities of dinghy sailing.  

As a general rule of thumb, if you want a trap singlehander with a kite, I really can't see what's wrong with the MPS.  Plenty of 65kg+ folks have sailed it; it just takes time, practice, dedication and ideally, folks to learn from, either at one of the emerging club hotspots, or on the circuit.


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Rupert



Now, personally, I like to win, and would get frustrated sailing a boat where I knew I would struggle to get the last 20% out of it, as I would with a 100 on a small lake. So I would love to see a modern, moderate singlehander with a kite that works on RtC courses and is faster than the current crop of 12 foot boats. I'd love to play in one, too. But I'd have to think long and hard before buying one, spending thousands on a boat when I can get as much fun spending hundreds. It would have to do everything better - upwind, I'd expect it to point high and tack on a sixpence. Downwind I want to be able to carry the kite high and low. Light winds I want it to ghost along in the slightest breeze, like a Firefly does, but I want it to be manageable but a stonking ride when it blows.


Er and we disagree in some way? That's exactly what I want now.

Farr 3.7 with a kite... trap for when it gets windy and too much like hard work.

You'd definitely need to allow yourself to use the kite when racing, and btw, it'd get a bit of an advantage on PY as all the boats sailing at clubs which submit returns (thus adjusting the EN) will probably be being sailed sans kite, thus slower than Lasers downwind.


On this side of things I don't think we disagree at all, though I'm not convinced Pondmonkey's view of the 3.7 is the answer. But then it is a 40 year old design, so it has plenty of good traits!


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Rupert



Now, personally, I like to win, and would get frustrated sailing a boat where I knew I would struggle to get the last 20% out of it, as I would with a 100 on a small lake. So I would love to see a modern, moderate singlehander with a kite that works on RtC courses and is faster than the current crop of 12 foot boats. I'd love to play in one, too. But I'd have to think long and hard before buying one, spending thousands on a boat when I can get as much fun spending hundreds. It would have to do everything better - upwind, I'd expect it to point high and tack on a sixpence. Downwind I want to be able to carry the kite high and low. Light winds I want it to ghost along in the slightest breeze, like a Firefly does, but I want it to be manageable but a stonking ride when it blows.


Er and we disagree in some way? That's exactly what I want now.

Farr 3.7 with a kite... trap for when it gets windy and too much like hard work.

You'd definitely need to allow yourself to use the kite when racing, and btw, it'd get a bit of an advantage on PY as all the boats sailing at clubs which submit returns (thus adjusting the EN) will probably be being sailed sans kite, thus slower than Lasers downwind.
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by G.R.F.

 He was also an OK man I believe, not that I've ever seen what an OK is, but suspect the bits it's made of would be better applied as part of someones wardrobe.

Yup, this sums things up in one sentence. GRF: never letting self-confessed ignorance stand in the way of a half-baked, inconsistent opinion.



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That flower tub GRF posted a pic of was an OK, wasn't it?


So right again then? LOL

Damn it must be irritating, me being right all the time. LOL
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Originally posted by Rupert

Vareo does a little of the above, but having beaten the ones that were out last night by 1/2 a lap in the Lightning, I'm not convinced it is a good light wind pond boat.

Me neither.  But having sailed one on open water up a long beat, I can assure you they don't feel like great upwind hiking boats either, even if that does sound a little oxymoronic.  I would liken the experience to downhill skiing without the ski pass.... it's a long, slow and painful walk uphill for the 5 minutes of pleasure coming back down again.
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Originally posted by Rupert



Now, personally, I like to win, and would get frustrated sailing a boat where I knew I would struggle to get the last 20% out of it, as I would with a 100 on a small lake. So I would love to see a modern, moderate singlehander with a kite that works on RtC courses and is faster than the current crop of 12 foot boats. I'd love to play in one, too. But I'd have to think long and hard before buying one, spending thousands on a boat when I can get as much fun spending hundreds. It would have to do everything better - upwind, I'd expect it to point high and tack on a sixpence. Downwind I want to be able to carry the kite high and low. Light winds I want it to ghost along in the slightest breeze, like a Firefly does, but I want it to be manageable but a stonking ride when it blows.


Er and we disagree in some way? That's exactly what I want now.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

 He was also an OK man I believe, not that I've ever seen what an OK is, but suspect the bits it's made of would be better applied as part of someones wardrobe.

Yup, this sums things up in one sentence. GRF: never letting self-confessed ignorance stand in the way of a half-baked, inconsistent opinion.


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