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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Do you think it will any time soon? I'd say expensive dinghies (especially single handers for Dad) are one of the minor casualties of this economic downturn, for club racers anyway. I very much think the landscape of the sport as we see it will change semi-permenantly into more club-centric with holiday top ups and as such the better club race boats will become even more popular as they deliver good racing and a safer investment. So yes, we'll all get to sail a new trap and/or asymmetric kited boat, but we'll do it on holiday, at a beach somewhere warm and sunny. We won't bother trying to make one work in a crappy handicap race at a shifty duck pond, no matter how RTC friendly the demo-boys say they are and no matter what changes the RYA think they're making to the PY system.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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If this economy ever turns and business builds back to normality I will have another go at the V thing, this time without the flat grabby planing hull shape, if nothing else appears as a diversion in the meanwhile.
I'm contemplating re visiting the twin with space frame and hollow side tanks to push the planing on sea type of approach, but realise how totally useless such a craft would be on a lake. This lake has opened my eyes a bit to what you all have to deal with, I can also see why the Assym revolution of the nineties failed and why the majority of the market is so moribund, I even get why they didn't kite the blaze. I do wonder however why those furling jib genniker things didn't get developed for small lake bound craft to vary the size of their off wind power..
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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To clarify, this was a suggestion within the context of this thread... the ultimate conclusion being the next instalment of Graeme's journey into the weird and wonderful eccentricities of dinghy sailing.
As a general rule of thumb, if you want a trap singlehander with a kite, I really can't see what's wrong with the MPS. Plenty of 65kg+ folks have sailed it; it just takes time, practice, dedication and ideally, folks to learn from, either at one of the emerging club hotspots, or on the circuit.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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On this side of things I don't think we disagree at all, though I'm not convinced Pondmonkey's view of the 3.7 is the answer. But then it is a 40 year old design, so it has plenty of good traits! Edited by Rupert - 24 May 12 at 11:22am |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Farr 3.7 with a kite... trap for when it gets windy and too much like hard work. You'd definitely need to allow yourself to use the kite when racing, and btw, it'd get a bit of an advantage on PY as all the boats sailing at clubs which submit returns (thus adjusting the EN) will probably be being sailed sans kite, thus slower than Lasers downwind.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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So right again then? ![]() Damn it must be irritating, me being right all the time.
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Me neither. But having sailed one on open water up a long beat, I can assure you they don't feel like great upwind hiking boats either, even if that does sound a little oxymoronic. I would liken the experience to downhill skiing without the ski pass.... it's a long, slow and painful walk uphill for the 5 minutes of pleasure coming back down again.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Er and we disagree in some way? That's exactly what I want now.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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That flower tub GRF posted a pic of was an OK, wasn't it?
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Yup, this sums things up in one sentence. GRF: never letting self-confessed ignorance stand in the way of a half-baked, inconsistent opinion. |
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