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pondmonkey 
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 Topic: V TwinPosted: 23 May 12 at 12:50pm |
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I wouldn't go judging typical 'dinghy mentality' or establishment thinking by the actions of Mothies.... ask any Mothie whether Moth Sailing should be an Olympic Sport, hopefully if you ask with a naive, vacant look about you then they'll be polite in their response.
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maxibuddah
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:45pm |
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minimum weights are there for consistency between boats of the same class to make as equal as poss. I agree that it does seem daft to make it lighter then add loads of weight back into a boat.
However the other benefits of min weights are that it means boats aren't built so light that they fall apart in a season or two. I know that materials these days overcome a lot of this but back a while they weren't. That helped people who didn't have loads of money and expected a boat to last a few years. That said there is nothin wrong with finding a low min weight and limiting the amount of correctors that could be fitted, just don't use an artificially high min weight. This is on reason why the phantom has worked over the years, it has a pretty low min weight and you are only allowed a max of 3kg correctors so there isn't an arms race going on to keep building lighter and lighter. The class seems to be doing ok but admittedly I don't expect the builders are making that much from them but how would having no min weight help them, it wouldn't. All that would happen is that people would disalussioned with the boat as a never ending change mobile and leave it. Don't think that would help the builders profit margins. It's about wanting one design racing without the SMOD ideal and that means a min weight for am equal playing field. by the way I never paid anyone to put the 1.5kgs in my boat. I got some old lead flashing, bashed it flat with a hammer and bolted it to the bulkhead. |
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fab100
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and all because the boats are too heavy. Yeah, that'd be the reason. So nothing to do with the evil RYA Zone Squad system chewing up and spitting out a whole generation by telling them they are failures 'cos they did not make the Olympic team, putting them off sailing for life OR even a schools culture where kids are taught its not fair that anyone should 'lose' and that competition therefore damages them (great preparation for life, not) OR the fact society in general would now far rather watch/play something on their flat-panel-HD screen than get off their backsides and actually do something OR that the advent of first lasers, then windsurfers meant that you did not need to drag a friend into sailing to crew for you, shortly after which they got the bug, bought a boat of their own, so 2 newbies needed to be brought into sailing (a virtuous circle). Instead, you could do it all alone (there is a word I cannot use here for that too) then got bored and lonely and left the sport OR even that some of us (not me obviously) have actually got damn good at this sailing lark over the years, so the learning curve from RYA level 2 to not coming last by miles in a club race is so so great that most cannot make the leap, but instead get put off by the effort required OR even that most people have the attention span of a gnat and would rather tick off 50-things-to-try-before-you-die than ever get any good at any of them and actually achieve some true fulfilment Nope, none of those. The saviour is here, and he says its all because a Contender hull should be 30% lighter. All hail his insightfulness, here to save us with his half-baked opinions and biggotry from our ignorance and lack of understanding of the sport we love and have been involved with all our lives. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:36pm |
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Funny I recall an instance back in the day, the RYA were promoting a new 'class' for us windsurfers, it was called Division 1 nicknamed the flatboard class which they deemed should have a minimum weight for the boards. So there we were putting 2 kilos of lead in our Mistral Superlights, meanwhile a bunch of 'mothies' were busy circumventing the sail measurement rules to cram as much area into the 6 sq mtr limit, that was OK, but having a light board wasn't - dinghy mentality it's the hypocrisy of it all that gets me.
You can't have a light boat in a given class but if you somehow design a sail that effectively puts you at an advantage, that's O.K.
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I luv Wight
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:35pm |
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Ahh but carbon laminate ( inc the labour cost of doing it ) must be at about 20 times the cost of the same weight of a lump of lead The boat goes better with the lead in the middle ( or at the back in fast boats / T-foilers ) - but of course it's even better if you don't have the lead and just make it light  You can make it lighter, smaller, more efficient, go faster, need smaller sails, lower rig loads, so you can make it lighter, more efficient, go faster.... and so on for a while ( but then you end up with a moth ) |
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tgruitt
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:32pm |
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And we all know who the ballast is around here  |
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JimC
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:22pm |
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Uffa made a distinction between weight and ballast. |
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:05pm |
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The only stupid thing is that you'd worry about it. The Farr 3.7 is total blank canvass. Make one as light as you want*, go race it and put the fecking kite up. Who's stopping you... a class association that you'll get little benefit in joining if you don't do the circuit... which leads to another question, what circuit? It's a good looking little boat, make it what you want. It's your money. * I wouldn't by the way, 45kg sounds okay to me
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:01pm |
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Is that it's all up weight? And a Farr 37 all up is what? Oh and with the additional weight I'll have to add to sail with you? Which presumably someone will have to pay money to make correctors to add additional weight? Seriously dude you couldn't make it up it's so stupid. I pay money to make it real light, then because y'all are so parsimonious or 'just don't care' I'll have to pay some more money to make it heavy enough to race with you. Have you any idea how just plain stupid that sounds?
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 23 May 12 at 12:00pm |
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light things that fall over and can't get off the beach without help can also  But you're missing a fundamental attribute to what most sailing folks actually do. The take their new toy to their sailing club, park it up and only ever roll it down a slope to the water. As long as the launching trolley is well balanced most people can manage most boats. Heavy, cheap rotomoulds that don't fall over as soon as they hit the water are great. These people rarely have any intention to drag them around the country for racing regattas. They don't even want to take them home for a winter project every year either. I've just recommended a Laser Vago to a very good friend for that exact reason. It can be left at the side of his mountain lake all year round. All this car-topping Toppers for family holidays is dead, just like it is in windsurfing. I do a lot of miles still and amuse myself identifying the various boats folks are towing around. The majority of boats in transit are racing dinghies going on circuit events, so this whole hook up a boat and drive to Devon for some family swallows and amazons stuff is just a fantasy. So really weight saving isn't much of an issue for most people as they don't plan to drag it around anywhere. That's the way the market likes it, sorry if that sucks, but you yourself only sail at Hythe and Redoubt, so maybe you should take a leaf out of their books and look for stable, robust boats?
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