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    Posted: 24 Apr 12 at 2:20pm
I don't know whether a track is intrinsically essential, but you certainly need some means of getting the jib 90% sheeted in on tacks with a singlehander. With ICs many of us do it by attaching the jib to the sliding seat. A track's certainly the most conventional.

As a quick and dirty fix you might want to look at making the jib "club footed" - putting a boom on the jib and tacking the jib down something approaching a quarter of the way along from the tack...
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....if he could just now convince 5 other folks at Draycote to sail them, then I'll buy him a pint.  LOL

....and if  you can persuade a few of them we can do you a cracking 'fleet' price ... and I'll buy the beer. 

BTW I am NOT against asymetrics in any way, but Cirrus is a small company and we have had to, up to now at least,  avoid targetting sections of the market that are well or over-served with choice already.  We also dropped the development of a (Blaze inspired but not Blaze based ) singlehander with spinnaker when we became aware of the D1 and RS 100 developments.  We do not have the marketing clout in an age of 'brand' - and would have been badly squeezed however good the boat.  It was a hard decision at the time but was basic commercial common sence and one I'm very glad we took .... but it did bring forward Icon.   The Blaze was never going to be supplied with a spinnaker anyway and regardless of its sans-spinnaker status the class continues to grow in a very encouraging manner really on the back of third party recommendations and a very keen bunch of owners ....   

Look around the various sailing clubs and locations out there - the vast majority of singlehanders still choose single-sail racing, and not necessarily because they are incapable of managing an additonal sail as some might imply.   Could we develop a fantastic 'optimised' and desirable  hiking singlehander with spinnaker - well I think so but that is not the point. 

Mike L.

PS - Greame - I have a brand new, bare Blaze hull without deck (or fault !) available in polyester (the last ever made) that would allow you to build whatever you wanted on top of it .... yours for relative peanuts if you are seriously interested.  I was keeping it to build a one-off just to make the point myself and have a bit of (non-commercial) fun .. but sadly no time to spare !
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Originally posted by oldarn

 

Firstly Graeme, what mast are you using and is that the AltO jib?


It is allegedly an RS700 mast and yes it is my original Alto jib, but without a jib track which I now recognise as essential.
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As a wilder idea, how about one of the racks had an inflated seat and the other didn't, that might keep it on its side, or at the very least if they were both inflated, one could have the plug pulled.

I mean seriously if everything on the control side had been working, there is no way it would have gone over in the first place. Everyone knows you don't just 'head up' from a broad reach head to wind in a breeze like that, only a retarded person with extreme narcissistic personality disorder...


Firstly Graeme, what mast are you using and is that the AltO jib?

Re. the inflated seat, coincidentally  my second suggestion after getting maximum buoyancy out of the mast was to fit some buoyancy to each rack. I then decided it would need to be on the topside. Immediately the though of armchair sailing came to mind which was one of the early criteria for the AltO before it was an AltO. Roger who sailed with me in the Wayfarer was having an increasing problem the arthritic hips, so the first prototype was an old FiveO into which I fitted a wayfarer type thwart for Roger. It was a non trapeze boat (Roger was 17 stone) and it was locally known as my asymmetric armchair Wayfarerer (about year 2002). That prototype non trapeze AltO still exists at Aldeburgh with of course the thwart seat. I was next going to add pipe insulating foam to the mainsheet hoop to give an upholstered back to the seat. Enough.

Moving on, I was then going to suggest that easy deflation was available on each bag so when fully inverted one or the other could be deflated thus allowing the boat to be more easily righted. The next logical thought was then that you perhaps only need a bag on one side, but it would be better to have comfort on both tacks!
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Inflating one rack would be a disaster I think.  If the boat capsizes towards the inflated rack and the force is strong enough it will still go over, it's just the centre around which the boat rotates has moved a couple of feet further away.  So it might reduce the chances but won't stop it completely.

The biggest problem I would imagine is that it would be impossible to right from turtled  when stood on the inflated side and what are your chances of spinning the boat around to face the other way so that you can stand on the non-inflated side when the sea state is sh*tty?  Much better to look at the options to stop it going turtled in the first place in my opinion.
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I do agree with Graeme on this one, I would have most likely bought a Blaze with kite over the contender I am currently sailing.

If such a class were to come into existance (i.e not the 100 or D1) I would be inclined to give it a shot.

The reason I dislike the D1 is mainly the looks, with the 100 I think its not as easily driven as it should be (me being lazy)

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fair points, but this is sailing... it's backwards and all that would have happened in a new load of joiners would join in with their 'new class', the incumbents would slowly swell the Phantom ranks (the generous PY at the time making the decision even easier), us newbies would then have found actually asymmetrics on RTC courses suck... and we would be left with nothing but two factions equally struggling for numbers, with the probability of facing the same fate as the Vortex i.e. dead and no longer in production.

As it is now, Mike's ridden the wave of enthusiasm for singlehanded kited hikers and come out the other side with a handful of ex RS100 sailors in his class... long game, well played... if he could just now convince 5 other folks at Draycote to sail them, then I'll buy him a pint.  LOL

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Originally posted by rogue

 
but in doing so, would alienate one of the main attractions about the boat- decent one design racing and a growing fleet.  

How so? Why need it be any different than two rigs on an Rs100?

Blaze and Blaze K, race it mono or race it with the kite option if local conditions permit. At the Nationals, the size of which would have doubled had it been done prior to the D1 and Rs100, you have two prizes - simples.

Exisiting owners get the option to upgrade in the same way the Vortex lot must have done and no doubt other class over the years must have acted and if local places like the lake by the M4 who's name temporarily escapes me, Burberry, whatever, they simply ban the kite if they don't want it.

Instead they ask the encumbants who say no, thereby denying hundreds who might have joined them (and probably thrashed them whilst showing them how to dance proper,  Wink)




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Originally posted by G.R.F.

 
However I still remain minded that the best single hander there never was, is a Blaze with Kite, even if it were only a small one..

but in doing so, would alienate one of the main attractions about the boat- decent one design racing and a growing fleet.  

as you say, opinions change with experience... mine certainly has on this point.

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Originally posted by blaze720

 I'd rather not see you write a sequel of 'whats wrong with the Blaze by GRF' ;-). 


I don't recall being anything but complementary about the Blaze mike and if you do have a 'spare hull' knocking about then let me know, they tell me, again contrary to my prejudiced previous opinion, that it's a great lake boat down at the Redoubt which is what I'm currently looking for, and we know its a good sea boat already.
The thing about opinions, they do alter with experience, well some of ours do.

However I still remain minded that the best single hander there never was, is a Blaze with Kite, even if it were only a small one..


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