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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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it might have been predictable, but it still sucks for you. Just a thought, but it might be worth considering a K1 style keel... or as I said from the outset, just suck it up and quick performance & easy to sail just screams beach cat to me. You could probably get an old Hobie or D15 for less than a grand....
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simonrh ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Jan 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 186 |
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When i got my vortex its mast was leaky and it liked to invert and stay there, the easiest way to right it was cat-style using the wind under the mast and blow it upright?
I think it is generally understood that you are a fairly low-displacement person?, Judging by the use of engines you were completely stuck down once inverted or under more favourable conditions would you have got it to move at all and lift an edge?
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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They could sail it easily, what they couldn't do, is right it once it's gone over, not without the help of a rescue boat...
It is an absolute blast to yacht about on in a breeze, but if you do cock up as I did yesterday after another of my dubious control systems jammed and took me over, (The problem at Hythe, once you're out in a breeze especially at High Tide, there's no easy go back sort something out then go back out again, so I shouldn't really have tagged onto the back of a race with a main sheet that was too short and a jib semi permanently sheeted in, not a jib the size of my Alto jib in that breeze. Anyway it had to be tested and now I know, it does turtle big style and if you think it's stable and difficult to put over when it's the right way up you should try righting it with a twenty horse outboard in a fairly hefty sea once it's fully up ended. I did get to study the bottom and noted the centreboard was tilted too far forward though. So it's back to the drawing board with the view of designing something that isn't too knaff to stop the mast going under, that and repairing the damage the prop of the boat did to various bits... Hey ho, not straightforward this boat developing stuff is it? I think someone got some pics early on, and my GPS stuff didn't function when it "lost contact with the satellites" presumably when the iPhone was under the hull and under the water for a fair time whilst I puzzled as to how to get it back up the right way before we drifted all the way to Folkestone, so I've no idea what speeds we achieved.
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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olympic womens sailors probably couldnt sail this too...
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John Hamilton
cherub 2645 - cheese before bedtime cherub 3209 - anatidaephobia laser 176847 - kiss this |
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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that i would like to see!
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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As with all these things, 'It depends'.
a) On who is sailing it b) On where it's being sailed c) On the course So if a good sailor is sailing it on a big lake with a one tack beat, and offwind legs that just suit the asymmetric, then I'd say it will beat an RS400 over the water in winds of say 3 kts +. BUT If its sailed by a beginner on a small shifty pond then it will potentially fall into the clutches of RS200s and Vareos in any winds. In less than F1 its a dog - no other word suits better. In F2 its very sailor / course dependent. In F3 its exceptionally quick offwind and if trapezing (IE not a porker) quick upwind. In F4-5 its very quick off and up wind, but waves downwind can catch you out. In F6+ Its very quick upwind - but steep chop /waves getting to be an issue. Its very quick downwind but waves are a BIG issue. I don't know of any trapeze boat that's really good on PY in light winds - it's not their thing. The Vortex is no worse than most. No it doesn't sink when I go to the bow(s). It suppose it might if I tried to 'hang ten'. Anyway, I'm still intrigued to see how the V twin measures up in terms of speed and manouvreability. |
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Keith
29er 661 (with my daughters / nephew) 49er 688 (with Phil P) RS200 968 Vortex (occasionally) Laser 2049XX |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Ah. there's a thing, then we're close, down the lake the only thing I occasionally got past was a vareo, and I managed to stave off a laser last night even without a working jib, it's pathetic really all this, it's too heavy, has too much wetted area, I can't lift it onto the trailer without help, I should give up, admit it's a two hander, put a sensible rig on it, see if I can't blag an ex Olympic 49er set up, then we'll see some action...
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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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If it's any consolation, in sub-wiring wind and I could beat an asymmetric one in my Vareo..... over the water.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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I always felt that flatness of the sail was due to the mismatch with the RS700 noodle mast, I don't think I've come across anything as flexi in dinghy land.
how can you "go to the bow" when there are two? and correct me if I'm wrong, but they sink don't they. ![]() Hindsite being the exact science I'm all too frequently familiar with in my life, I should have gone with an MPS rig and bunged a small jib on that, then I would have been closer to what I set out to achieve in the first place, but hey ho, it is what it is. Interesting point, at what wind strength does the vortex act anything like half decently? I can't see it totally sticking like the V2, there's hardly any wetted surface to stick. And when it does go slow, how slow is it? Laser Slow or something worse (nothing springs to mind).
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