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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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.....no tramps to get caught ...
Can we suggest the fishnet look for tramps now so popular amongst some of the Blaze fleet or the minimalist 'pelmet' design with simple lacing from gunwhale ? Water and wind just pass through ... exactly the reason we prefer NOT to have solid wings or 'flares' So Greame if you don't get along with solid or flares you might like to try fishnets ! It would suit you I'm sure ... Mike L. |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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There's a long track history in the B14 of "fishnets" working really poorly, mainly because the leeward tiller extension gets caught in them. As for the "pelmets", class rules forbid any holes that you can stick your foot through in the area bound by the wing. Blaze has smaller wings and single tiller- what works for it might be a dangerously bad idea for the v-twin
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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They're not 'solid' they're a mesh with a gap at the foot.
The Rs100 would wipe the floor with the twin, right up until the wind hits 6-8 knots, then it will be game over. Then the windier it gets the further the distance between them, that is, if having fallen out of the 100 in the break either Clive or the monkey woman could get back into it un assisted. The key thing about the twin, there is no get in or out, you walk on or off, it's an entirely different sailing experience, kind of a cross between formula sailboard sailing and what y'all do..
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haroosh ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 521 |
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Iain C ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1113 |
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GRF, if it's a pup in the light stuff, why not take a page out of skiff sailing and stick a bigger rig on it? Goes against your simplicity idea, but hey. RS800 or B14 perhaps?
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Yes, I've been eyeing the RS 800 rig, or thinking about a 49er rig, but then I'd be right back where I was, I can handle pretty much any of these boats, MPS, RS100, whatever in wind up to 8 knots, then I can't, the twin is/was supposed to enable that for me.
I knew it wouldn't work that well in light weather, formula boards don't go until 6-8 knots, I'd hoped that by reducing the wetted area with the tunnel and the rocker it might just do enough, but it was there plain enough on the original wetted surface area drawings, so it's not a surprise. The surprise however is the exhilarating and pain free sensation of being up in the air on those racks looking down on this black beast as she surges away, when that happens I don't care about the light wind, doing well in light wind is easy for me, going fast in a boat above 8-10 knots (single handed) isn't and now it's beginning to look achievable. But yes, put a bloody great rig on it which it is perfectly capable of carrying and you'd probably need two crew, then you'd have a total weapon on your hands.
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johnreekie1980 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 91 |
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If doing well in the light is so easy for you why is a witness report of your efforts reporting you as sailing around the back of the fleet with a Laser 2000 that does not sound to be in great trim. Do I sense another shifting of the goal posts to claim victory from the jaws of defeat.
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
not my quote but sums up this thread I think.
Thanks to T Rosevelt
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Kev M ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 11 Location: Landlocked Online Status: Offline Posts: 346 |
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I think you've missed the point. GRF is saying that because he is light he can do well in another boat in the light stuff not the v-twin. His problem is doing well in strong winds because he doesn't have the weight to counter the wind so he designed a boat that suits him in those conditions, you can't really knock him for that.
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Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980.
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johnreekie1980 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 91 |
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The man who tries and tries again in an arena where the outcome is inevitable and has been know prior to the event is just a fool. The fool who then tells everyone else that they are wrong throughout the endeavour whilst continuing to fail is generally not received as a hero or valiant.
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