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    Posted: 01 Apr 12 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Hayling Island? That is the same Hayling Island I sailed round a few times thirty years ago whilst you were still getting beaten up by brownies and the bread knife putting steak on your black eye.. Has it moved then?

You haven't been buggering about with those channels have you?

It was New Years Eve ('82 I think), I was 17 and was lead astray by your brother-in-law. Your lovely wife was more sympathetic than you lot!
 
The Channels have moved a little since then but nothing you couldn't work out!
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I've seen it! It's VERY BIG and VERY BLACK.  Much bigger than the pictures would suggest.  It looks like a coal barge with a sail which does not suggest fast.  It is very stable though, at one point in the race GRF was, for no apparent reason, walking up and down the deck without any real effect on the trim of the boat.

By the time that I got there the boats were on the water and lining up for the start. A couple of Contenders, Blaze, Phantom, Laser 3000, Laser 2000 and a few other assortments, all in the mix waiting for the gun.  Lurking a little further back, like some kind of predator, the Twin.  As the lead boats rounded the first mark I realised why the Twin had been held back, it was struggling to punch the tide!  The whole fleet, Lasers and all had left it for dead.  After the three legs of a triangle, the Twin and a Laser 2000 were neck and neck at the back of the fleet  (the Laser 2000 had gone upwind with its top batten inverted, down wind with its kite mostly in the water and with its main a foot from the top of the mast!).

I watched the whole race, the fleet completed 3 laps, the Twin was finished after 2  (I presume that the RO gave up on it ever getting round again).

It had been my intention to photograph the boat on its return to land, but when everyone else came in, GRF stayed out and my time ran out.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Were you able to heel the boat over today to lose some of that wetted area?

Yes, had to lock the main and the jib block to block, but for a while after the race when the breeze popped up, it's difficult to judge how breezy, it was barely a three in the first 'rush' you get when a new wind fills in from another direction.

But enough to give a 'feel' unfortunately it died and settled back to about a 5 knots I'd guess, maybe six I shall have a look on our record of the wind today, but it wasn't much.


Yes I've had a look we had a spike of 9mph and mostly 5-7mph, so 4-7 knots and 6 knots remains the point at which things start to happen and 8 -10 everything loosens up.

So yes today i was trialling my Alto jib which did bring the power on earlier, so if it is breezier (above say 12 knots) I shall use the small jib, I've not yet felt close to going over, even hardening the kite up today, but it is a bit of a monster and doesn't set well at all, if anything is going to have me over it'll be the kite.


Edited by G.R.F. - 01 Apr 12 at 9:29pm
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Originally posted by Atrocity

I've seen it! It's VERY BIG and VERY BLACK.  Much bigger than the pictures would suggest.  It looks like a coal barge with a sail which does not suggest fast.  It is very stable though, at one point in the race GRF was, for no apparent reason, walking up and down the deck without any real effect on the trim of the boat.

By the time that I got there the boats were on the water and lining up for the start. A couple of Contenders, Blaze, Phantom, Laser 3000, Laser 2000 and a few other assortments, all in the mix waiting for the gun.  Lurking a little further back, like some kind of predator, the Twin.  As the lead boats rounded the first mark I realised why the Twin had been held back, it was struggling to punch the tide!  The whole fleet, Lasers and all had left it for dead.  After the three legs of a triangle, the Twin and a Laser 2000 were neck and neck at the back of the fleet  (the Laser 2000 had gone upwind with its top batten inverted, down wind with its kite mostly in the water and with its main a foot from the top of the mast!).

I watched the whole race, the fleet completed 3 laps, the Twin was finished after 2  (I presume that the RO gave up on it ever getting round again).

It had been my intention to photograph the boat on its return to land, but when everyone else came in, GRF stayed out and my time ran out.

Atrocity.

Well you might have said hello, in the real world we're all very different than the way we appear here you know...  Well some of us are anyway.


And the reason I stayed out? I'm sure you spotted that and didn't say a lot..

The bit where the rescue boat couldn't stay with it?

Or you had to get back into the home? Rose Cottage, Chartham by any chance?


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Were you able to heel the boat over today to lose some of that wetted area?

Yes, had to lock the main and the jib block to block, but for a while after the race when the breeze popped up, it's difficult to judge how breezy, it was barely a three in the first 'rush' you get when a new wind fills in from another direction.

What I really meant was, were you able to heel the boat over comfortably and easily in the light stuff, such as this Wayfarer was able to do by moving weight to leeward:


or indeed this Melges 17 scow:


With so much wetted area, heeling in the light stuff is going to be crucial.
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Originally posted by Atrocity

... As the lead boats rounded the first mark I realised why the Twin had been held back, it was struggling to punch the tide!  The whole fleet, Lasers and all had left it for dead.  After the three legs of a triangle, the Twin and a Laser 2000 were neck and neck at the back of the fleet  (the Laser 2000 had gone upwind with its top batten inverted, down wind with its kite mostly in the water and with its main a foot from the top of the mast!).
 
I watched the whole race, the fleet completed 3 laps, the Twin was finished after 2  (I presume that the RO gave up on it ever getting round again).
 
 
Performance as expected ...
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Originally posted by seamonkey

Originally posted by Atrocity

... As the lead boats rounded the first mark I realised why the Twin had been held back, it was struggling to punch the tide!  The whole fleet, Lasers and all had left it for dead.  After the three legs of a triangle, the Twin and a Laser 2000 were neck and neck at the back of the fleet  (the Laser 2000 had gone upwind with its top batten inverted, down wind with its kite mostly in the water and with its main a foot from the top of the mast!).
 
I watched the whole race, the fleet completed 3 laps, the Twin was finished after 2  (I presume that the RO gave up on it ever getting round again).
 
 
Performance as expected ...
 
Don't mock. Haven't you heard the parable about the hare and the tortoise?
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Originally posted by Andymac

Don't mock. Haven't you heard the parable about the hare and the tortoise?
 
MMmmm.....
"Once upon a time there was a hare who, boasting how he could run faster than anyone else, was forever teasing the tortoise for its slowness...."

Bit unkind to refer to a poorly rigged/sailed Laser 2000 as a tortoise, don't you think?
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Whatever the merits of the V-Twin, from that video to Atrocity's race reports, it is inspiring some first class works of art.
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