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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Performance as expected ...
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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What I really meant was, were you able to heel the boat over comfortably and easily in the light stuff, such as this Wayfarer was able to do by moving weight to leeward: ![]() or indeed this Melges 17 scow: ![]() With so much wetted area, heeling in the light stuff is going to be crucial. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Well you might have said hello, in the real world we're all very different than the way we appear here you know... Well some of us are anyway. And the reason I stayed out? I'm sure you spotted that and didn't say a lot.. The bit where the rescue boat couldn't stay with it? Or you had to get back into the home? Rose Cottage, Chartham by any chance?
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Yes, had to lock the main and the jib block to block, but for a while after the race when the breeze popped up, it's difficult to judge how breezy, it was barely a three in the first 'rush' you get when a new wind fills in from another direction. But enough to give a 'feel' unfortunately it died and settled back to about a 5 knots I'd guess, maybe six I shall have a look on our record of the wind today, but it wasn't much. Yes I've had a look we had a spike of 9mph and mostly 5-7mph, so 4-7 knots and 6 knots remains the point at which things start to happen and 8 -10 everything loosens up. So yes today i was trialling my Alto jib which did bring the power on earlier, so if it is breezier (above say 12 knots) I shall use the small jib, I've not yet felt close to going over, even hardening the kite up today, but it is a bit of a monster and doesn't set well at all, if anything is going to have me over it'll be the kite.
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Atrocity ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Jan 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
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I've seen it! It's VERY BIG and VERY BLACK. Much bigger than the pictures would suggest. It looks like a coal barge with a sail which does not suggest fast. It is very stable though, at one point in the race GRF was, for no apparent reason, walking up and down the deck without any real effect on the trim of the boat.
By the time that I got there the boats were on the water and lining up for the start. A couple of Contenders, Blaze, Phantom, Laser 3000, Laser 2000 and a few other assortments, all in the mix waiting for the gun. Lurking a little further back, like some kind of predator, the Twin. As the lead boats rounded the first mark I realised why the Twin had been held back, it was struggling to punch the tide! The whole fleet, Lasers and all had left it for dead. After the three legs of a triangle, the Twin and a Laser 2000 were neck and neck at the back of the fleet (the Laser 2000 had gone upwind with its top batten inverted, down wind with its kite mostly in the water and with its main a foot from the top of the mast!). I watched the whole race, the fleet completed 3 laps, the Twin was finished after 2 (I presume that the RO gave up on it ever getting round again). It had been my intention to photograph the boat on its return to land, but when everyone else came in, GRF stayed out and my time ran out. Atrocity.
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marky ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 52 |
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The Channels have moved a little since then but nothing you couldn't work out!
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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So you "bunged the kite up and for a few minutes horsed downwind fully on the edge of the racks" in Force 2? What are you going to do in a F.4?
I've been trying to figure out the state of over- or under-canvassing of the V-Twin for a while. On Redoubt lake you've said it felt underpowered in a F.3, but today in a F.2 you're on the edge of the rack? My rough calculations would indicate that if you're using a 4sqm jib with a Vortex main, notwithstanding the extra beam of the V-Twin, you must be appreciably more powered up than a Vortex. I'm sure the boat needs a lot of sail area to overcome that wetted area in the lighter stuff, but I'm concerned that your available righting moment won't be enough to balance it when the wind is up to, say a F.4-5. Further trial will reveal all, no doubt. Were you able to heel the boat over today to lose some of that wetted area?
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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The breeze that got it going was only a force 2, not even a white cap, it just needs constant power to build on it needs 6-8 knots. We barely had 3 -5 mph today until a little breeze freshened in after the race.
I'm sure it's going to be OK eventually once all the niggles are sorted.
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haroosh ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 521 |
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Fair enough but with all the bold claims you were making last year I am expecting something that could whoop a 2000!!!!!
Some more development work required I guess. The hull shape has always looked like it would be a dog in light to medium winds. so much wetted surface area. My point is not sure what use it will be if it's only any good in strong breeze. Needs to be an all rounder for the uk....
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Er it is supposed to be a funboat.. Is that where I've been going wrong all this time? Expecting it to be fun. Instead of pain and frustration. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, make it easy and fun, no pain, no unintentional swims and fecking about.
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