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    Posted: 03 Feb 12 at 12:14pm
Nope, no way out I'm afraid, equipment failure = DNF not finishing last, finishing last, requires strength of character, an admirable strength of character at that.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by JimC

 
And if you finish last then there wasn't really much point in finishing at all.

I disagree, if everyone took that attitude it wouldn't be much point in finishing first either would it?

There's no joy in finishing first if you've never finished last in life.


never thought i would post this, BUT;

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Good grief people. look at the context.
Its not so very hard to design a boat that is utterly bulletproof, virtually sails itself, never capsizes and is virtually impossible not to finish a race with - eventually. But having a boat that is guaranteed to finish last isn't really much fun - even on the day when it blows up F12 and you finish both first and last.
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Wow...just look how a thread can go off course...

So it turns out that the foiling moth sailor isn't some bozo with a breeze block where his brain should be, but a pretty good dinghy sailor with enough track record to be known by name and have some sponsorship.  One way or another, he still screwed up and was lucky.

The real message of this is that it could happen to any of us.  We all foul up from time to time, just not quite so publicly.  It should remind all of us not to take things for granted, not assume we're too experienced for it to happen to us.  None of us are quite as bulletproof as we like to think.

Some years ago a french superstar yachracer died when he fell overboard from his boat without a lifejacket - can't remember his name.  Sailing, class 101; always wear your personal buoyancy.  I rest my case.
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Originally posted by Sheetpuller

Some years ago a french superstar yachracer died when he fell overboard from his boat without a lifejacket - can't remember his name.  Sailing, class 101; always wear your personal buoyancy.  I rest my case.


I think you might be referring to Eric Tabarly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Tabarly
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Threads don't go off course - or off topic - they just might not go where you would go or like

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Originally posted by Sheetpuller

I rest my case.


Can we assume for the defence of the sailor / prosecution of the forumites for having a disapproving opinion?

Actually the point is we are all individually responsible for assessing our risk, with this incident the sailor got it wrong. Having owned high performance boats there's no way I'd set out to sea in one without recuse cover, irrespective of the time of year and lack of comms equipment. It's the same reason I wouldn't do a horizon dash on my board at the coast either - paddle distance from shore only and a waterproof phone if I get sharked by the tide.

As for PFD- b**locks, I never wear one on a board and very rarely on my yacht. They're available if it blows up and if we were to bother venturing too far offshore, but I'd consider it a very bad call to be out there if that were the situation considering i have a young family onboard.

Maybe the message is being a good sailor does not equal good seamanship? what rule is that says it is the helm's decision to race? I'm sure this is based on fundamental seamanship good practice and perhaps it's the most important one racing sailors should take note of before leaving the shore- whether or not there is race, rescue cover, buddy, life jacket and VHF to hand.

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Eric Taberly was knocked off a 100+ year old yacht by a boom weighing rather more than a small yacht in very poor visability - not sure a lifejacket was going to be any help there, or that the situation is very similar at all to a foiling Moth getting into trouble in the Solent.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rs600676 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 12 at 11:03am
thank god for the RNLI !!
well done guys also hope the guy in the moth was ok 
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Originally posted by rogue

Originally posted by Sheetpuller

I rest my case.


Can we assume for the defence of the sailor / prosecution of the forumites for having a disapproving opinion?

Actually the point is we are all individually responsible for assessing our risk, with this incident the sailor got it wrong. Having owned high performance boats there's no way I'd set out to sea in one without recuse cover, irrespective of the time of year and lack of comms equipment. It's the same reason I wouldn't do a horizon dash on my board at the coast either - paddle distance from shore only and a waterproof phone if I get sharked by the tide.

As for PFD- b**locks, I never wear one on a board and very rarely on my yacht. They're available if it blows up and if we were to bother venturing too far offshore, but I'd consider it a very bad call to be out there if that were the situation considering i have a young family onboard.

Maybe the message is being a good sailor does not equal good seamanship? what rule is that says it is the helm's decision to race? I'm sure this is based on fundamental seamanship good practice and perhaps it's the most important one racing sailors should take note of before leaving the shore- whether or not there is race, rescue cover, buddy, life jacket and VHF to hand.

I think you're making much the same point I am, although perhaps rather more eloquently!
Good seamanship is much more than being able to make a boat go fast; it's knowing how to keep out of trouble, and also how to get yourself out of trouble if you do get in.  And in my opinion a very big part of that involves knowing one's own limitations and recognising that natural forces at sea are much stronger than we are.  I wasn't having a pop at the poor guy, there's been enough of that already, just trying to point out that none of us, however well known and respected, are immune from the occasional foul-up.
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