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    Posted: 02 Feb 12 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by JimC

..., and you expect things to break on racing craft.

 
Do you? ... I don't.
 
The first rule is that to win you have to finish.
 
If anything looks iffy then address it.
 
I think gear failure is pretty rare these days with professionaly built boats.
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However there are very few racing dinghies that I'd care to sail in open water without safety boat cover. They are, after all racing craft, and you expect things to break on racing canoes.

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You people need to remember that you have exactly no idea what safety precautions the guy actually took. For all we know he had a mate with a RIB booked to give cover and the rib broke down.

However there are very few racing dinghies that I'd care to sail in open water without safety boat cover. They are, after all racing craft, and you expect things to break on racing craft.

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Originally posted by rogue

 
actually, most racing dinghies are older, and arguably more seaworthy in their design.


I'd totally agree with that.

Originally posted by rogue

  Even newer popular classes like the RS200 and RS400 have room to stow a paddle.... 


A paddle may be OK on a smallish lake to get you back to the club when the wind has switched off but on the sea it'll be virtually useless. What you need as a viable backup propulsion system (which the RNLI advise you have) is either an outboard (can't see how you'd fit one on these open-transomd boats) or a decent set of oars at least 6 feet long preferably with metal rowlocks rather than plastic ones. Modern racing dinghies aren't designed with such things as part of the design brief. Some updated versions of old designs wouldn't find stowing oars any easier either.

Originally posted by rogue

In my opinion, I think something like a foiling moth restricts most sailing to an environment with rescue cover or at the very least, sailing in a buddy system with means of communication.


Again, I totally agree.

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Originally posted by SoggyBadger



Let's not forget that foiling moths aren't the only boat where you have no plan B. Most racing dinghies fall into that category.


actually, most racing dinghies are older, and arguably more seaworthy in their design.  Even newer popular classes like the RS200 and RS400 have room to stow a paddle....  In my opinion, I think something like a foiling moth restricts most sailing to an environment with rescue cover or at the very least, sailing in a buddy system with means of communication.
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thank you Jimbo.  Clap
the same, but different...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 12 at 10:21am
Originally posted by kurio99

Originally posted by seamonkey

Rescue should be FOC ... but a jolly good bollocking should also be FOC
Not sailing, but the American SAR has examples of people running and hiding from their would-be rescuers to avoid being charged for the rescue.  http://www.alpinerescueteam.org/pdfs/Golden%20-%20No%20Charge%20for%20Rescue%20Final%20.pdf
If my local water rescue started billing, I would paint my boat blue-gray Wink
 
That was a very interesting read.
Recalling a programme about the Penlee lifeboat disaster, I got the impression that the situation deteriorated after the Master of the Union Star had declined to negotiate or accept help from salvage tugs which were available to assist. O.K. salvage tugs are not charitable organisations, but the principle is the same.
It's a funny business when vessels get into difficulty... At one time potential rescuers could stand off and deliberately allow all in peril to drown before they could rightly? claim the spoils.
I'm not an expert in maritime law, but there should be some sort of mechanism that protects the interests of all involved. Just look at the current case of the Costa Concordia, there is bound to be fallout from that, and certainly the delay of the captain declaring the situation to the coastguards (when he was already in a lifeboat) will be a major point.
I think we are very fortunate in the UK to have organisations like the HM coastguard, RNLI and air sea rescue that are prepared to risk themselves for us.
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I don't there's any danger of a health and safety/ban everything backlash. Incidents like this are very rare. Ask any RNLI crew about the number of idiots on lilos they have to rescue each summer and that'll put this into perspective.

Let's not forget that foiling moths aren't the only boat where you have no plan B. Most racing dinghies fall into that category.

Finally I think we should at least give him credit for having the sense to stay with his boat.
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Originally posted by johnreekie1980

Maybe we should all stop sailing as clearly the risks are too great.

I think you've clearly missed the point of any criticism levied in this thread John.  Those who are critical are actually trying to defend a free and non-interventionist approach to sailing we currently enjoy.  However it is by the actions of some individuals that leads to groups getting legislated against and potentially banned from pursuing their passions.  It is the reason why some local councils have attempted to ban windsurfing at their beaches through by-laws, this is despite years of history with little incident- the reason, kite surfers and the perceived danger of their long lines, especially if they try solo launches.  Do you really think a local harbour authority will differentiate between a foiling moth, laser, musto skiff or wayfarer? 

I think consensus of opinion here would support everyone's right to sailing freely, however the caveat that comes with this is that we should take necessary precaution to mitigate risk and that a foiling moth, with no means of communication in the depths of winter on the solent probably was a bit of bad call.    
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Originally posted by johnreekie1980

I seem to remember that Puma required outside assistance in the Volvo ocean race when they broke their rig. In the Vendee someone lost their keel and then the rescuer got dismasted. Maybe we should all stop sailing as clearly the risks are too great.
 
Yes ... and because they had taken appropriate precautions they were fine ...
 
This guy had no plan B.
 
No-one is saying don't enjoy risk ... just have a plan if somthing goes wrong.
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