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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Do you? ... I don't.
The first rule is that to win you have to finish.
If anything looks iffy then address it.
I think gear failure is pretty rare these days with professionaly built boats.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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FTFY
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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You people need to remember that you have exactly no idea what safety precautions the guy actually took. For all we know he had a mate with a RIB booked to give cover and the rib broke down.
However there are very few racing dinghies that I'd care to sail in open water without safety boat cover. They are, after all racing craft, and you expect things to break on racing craft. |
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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I'd totally agree with that.
A paddle may be OK on a smallish lake to get you back to the club when the wind has switched off but on the sea it'll be virtually useless. What you need as a viable backup propulsion system (which the RNLI advise you have) is either an outboard (can't see how you'd fit one on these open-transomd boats) or a decent set of oars at least 6 feet long preferably with metal rowlocks rather than plastic ones. Modern racing dinghies aren't designed with such things as part of the design brief. Some updated versions of old designs wouldn't find stowing oars any easier either.
Again, I totally agree. |
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Best wishes from deep in the woods
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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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actually, most racing dinghies are older, and arguably more seaworthy in their design. Even newer popular classes like the RS200 and RS400 have room to stow a paddle.... In my opinion, I think something like a foiling moth restricts most sailing to an environment with rescue cover or at the very least, sailing in a buddy system with means of communication.
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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thank you Jimbo.
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the same, but different...
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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That was a very interesting read. Recalling a programme about the Penlee lifeboat disaster, I got the impression that the situation deteriorated after the Master of the Union Star had declined to negotiate or accept help from salvage tugs which were available to assist. O.K. salvage tugs are not charitable organisations, but the principle is the same. It's a funny business when vessels get into difficulty... At one time potential rescuers could stand off and deliberately allow all in peril to drown before they could rightly? claim the spoils. I'm not an expert in maritime law, but there should be some sort of mechanism that protects the interests of all involved. Just look at the current case of the Costa Concordia, there is bound to be fallout from that, and certainly the delay of the captain declaring the situation to the coastguards (when he was already in a lifeboat) will be a major point. I think we are very fortunate in the UK to have organisations like the HM coastguard, RNLI and air sea rescue that are prepared to risk themselves for us.
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SoggyBadger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 10 Location: The Wild Wood Online Status: Offline Posts: 552 |
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I don't there's any danger of a health and safety/ban everything backlash. Incidents like this are very rare. Ask any RNLI crew about the number of idiots on lilos they have to rescue each summer and that'll put this into perspective.
Let's not forget that foiling moths aren't the only boat where you have no plan B. Most racing dinghies fall into that category. Finally I think we should at least give him credit for having the sense to stay with his boat. |
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Best wishes from deep in the woods
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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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I think you've clearly missed the point of any criticism levied in this thread John. Those who are critical are actually trying to defend a free and non-interventionist approach to sailing we currently enjoy. However it is by the actions of some individuals that leads to groups getting legislated against and potentially banned from pursuing their passions. It is the reason why some local councils have attempted to ban windsurfing at their beaches through by-laws, this is despite years of history with little incident- the reason, kite surfers and the perceived danger of their long lines, especially if they try solo launches. Do you really think a local harbour authority will differentiate between a foiling moth, laser, musto skiff or wayfarer? I think consensus of opinion here would support everyone's right to sailing freely, however the caveat that comes with this is that we should take necessary precaution to mitigate risk and that a foiling moth, with no means of communication in the depths of winter on the solent probably was a bit of bad call.
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Yes ... and because they had taken appropriate precautions they were fine ... This guy had no plan B. No-one is saying don't enjoy risk ... just have a plan if somthing goes wrong.
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