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    Posted: 31 Jan 12 at 3:06pm
Ok ... here are some tips for staying safe solo sailing ...

1) Tell someone what you are up to and what time you will be back and that you will confirm your safe return at this time; and tell them if they don't hear from you to raise the alarm
2) Carry some form of communication VHF or mobile
3) Flares (but I don't like this option)
4) Check your kit and carry a few spare bits of rope and a knife
5) Check the forecast and tide
6) Be realistic about the risks, your ability and the what ifs

1) is the most important and no-one regardless of ability should be beyond this.

These days you can get an app for your GPS enabled smartphone that will update your current position to a website every 2 minutes ... this means the person you notified in point 1) can just look on-line for your location. These apps are excellent saftey options for any solo outdoor sport and the cost is almost zero.

Don't be the next Darwin award case ... use yer noggin ... it's not uncool to be safe ... it is uncool to be dead.




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Yep we all learn through mistakes and advice, thankfully media such as this enable us to do this collectively.  That's kind of the point of Richard's OP- to remind us all that some safety devices are available if we choose to sail solo. 
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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Or it proves that this sort of thing can happen to anyone and don't take anything for granted.

out of interest- which manufacturer made the mast that fell down on that boat in the first place?
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Originally posted by Skiffman


Finally the RNLI and coastguard do a fantastic job 
 
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It does come down to proper precautions, whether it be having someone watching from the beach or carrying a vhf/flares etc. The next trick is not to feel embarressed about using them!  It is very easy in sailing to get into trouble, it is even easier to think you can get out of it yourself and turn an uncomfortable situation into a life threatening one (for you or for someone else.)  There is no shame in firing a flare (in the right circumstances) or calling the coastguard.
 
And just to finish, I'm in the camp of leave the poor s*d alone.
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This sounds like a fairly major failure and moth or any other boat, they are all friggin useless if something major like a mast goes and you are sitting in 4 knots of sluicing tide. He is a very good sailor and so he wasn't out in something he wasn't capable of sailing or didn't know how to control, which is a cause of many of these types of incidents. 

I have no idea, but I also doubt the failure was down to lack of prep on his behalf. I suspect that he could tick off most of sea monkeys list, but failures can easily happen and I doubt many people have a real 'plan B' - but thats why we sail with rescue cover if the conditions require.

Its easy to be critical, but this is the water we sail and it does have additional dangers that are not there on the ponds and setting out on your own in January without safety cover does increase the level of risk and only a few people do, but there is traffic most of the year. Its easy to say 'carry a vhf', but please tell me how many on this forum do?

Handheld vhf's this close to the water also have a surprisingly short range - they won't work from the mouth of the river back to the clubs even. Flares are a liability on a small dinghy (especially one that flys!!).

I would be surprised if he had not told someone he was going out and may have been rescued before his expected return time if the failure happened early on, but if he didn't tell anyone I fully agree that was a major mistake on his behalf. The only effective solution for this sort of sailing would be a wearable epirb. If you combine it with a GPS tracker, then all the int Moth guys would want one!!  The relevant clubs could make them part of the dinghy regs for solo sailing - albeit difficult to enforce.

I guess the danger with that would be that the rescue services might end up getting swamped by idiots setting them off just because the breeze had piped up even where there was no real danger.




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Thankfully not one of mine. My heart skipped a few when I saw the story and went to check. I'm not naming and shaming as it could have been any component on anyone's boat.

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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Or it proves that this sort of thing can happen to anyone and don't take anything for granted.

out of interest- which manufacturer made the mast that fell down on that boat in the first place?
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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Thankfully not one of mine. My heart skipped a few when I saw the story and went to check. I'm not naming and shaming as it could have been any component on anyone's boat.

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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Or it proves that this sort of thing can happen to anyone and don't take anything for granted.

out of interest- which manufacturer made the mast that fell down on that boat in the first place?

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Originally posted by SimonW99

This sounds like a fairly major failure and moth or any other boat, they are all friggin useless if something major like a mast goes and you are sitting in 4 knots of sluicing tide. He is a very good sailor and so he wasn't out in something he wasn't capable of sailing or didn't know how to control, which is a cause of many of these types of incidents. 

I have no idea, but I also doubt the failure was down to lack of prep on his behalf. I suspect that he could tick off most of sea monkeys list, but failures can easily happen and I doubt many people have a real 'plan B' - but thats why we sail with rescue cover if the conditions require.

Its easy to be critical, but this is the water we sail and it does have additional dangers that are not there on the ponds and setting out on your own in January without safety cover does increase the level of risk and only a few people do, but there is traffic most of the year. Its easy to say 'carry a vhf', but please tell me how many on this forum do?

Handheld vhf's this close to the water also have a surprisingly short range - they won't work from the mouth of the river back to the clubs even. Flares are a liability on a small dinghy (especially one that flys!!).

I would be surprised if he had not told someone he was going out and may have been rescued before his expected return time if the failure happened early on, but if he didn't tell anyone I fully agree that was a major mistake on his behalf. The only effective solution for this sort of sailing would be a wearable epirb. If you combine it with a GPS tracker, then all the int Moth guys would want one!!  The relevant clubs could make them part of the dinghy regs for solo sailing - albeit difficult to enforce.

I guess the danger with that would be that the rescue services might end up getting swamped by idiots setting them off just because the breeze had piped up even where there was no real danger.

 
 
 
Agreed anything can happen and one day your luck is gonna run out.  But still boils down to the fact that the moth being unable to carry an anchor/towline/secondary propulsion/vhf is just not suitable for coastal work without safety cover.  It just not self reliant.
 
All the sympthay with the poor guy but your asking for it , even the stongest boats get dismasted.
 
 
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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

Thankfully not one of mine. My heart skipped a few when I saw the story and went to check. I'm not naming and shaming as it could have been any component on anyone's boat. 


+1.
And the fault could have been any component maybe the mast tube itself, maybe a wire, maybe the sticky tape protecting the split ring.
It could be that part was not as good as it could have been or maybe age and damage took its toll.

To be honest, I have no criticism of the sailor, he could fairly say my bike is more dangerous.
You are rarely alone in the Solent, even this time of year, close to Lymington platform there is a car ferry every 15 minutes and a lot of sailing school traffic.
I will charitably assume the yacht(s) that saw him called the lifeboat who could reach him quicker as it's only 3M away and does 40knots.

Personally I tend to carry a marine VHF and/or a phone in an aquapac when sailing with iffy/no safety boat cover. Oh, and top tip is have some good numbers in the phone memory: Club, Harbourmaster, mates with RIBs, Solent CG...

By the way, the RNLI, like all rescue boat operators, do sometimes seem to present incidents in the way which makes them look indispensable, it helps with the donations. It's sensible for us not to fight that though, as we value their presence.


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Very easy to get complacent in the solent.  Most of the time you're constantly dodging yachts/powerboats/fishermen whatever the weather.

In winter I don't go out on my own generally.  At least if there's someone with you you can abandon ship.

Tough lesson.
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