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    Posted: 03 Jan 12 at 2:51pm
Close racing between the Phantom & the Laser, only 5 sec between them each of the races'.
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Originally posted by LASERNUT

Originally posted by Bootscooter


Originally posted by Jeepers

<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 1px; line-height: 1.4; border-: initial;">Which Blaze won the singlehanded fleet?


 
Didn't - twas a (very well sailed) Laser.  Don't have the name of the chap, but round the windward mark on the last lap of both races he was up with the Phantoms and was just over a whole minute ahead of the second Laser.... well sailed. Cool


bootschooter you are making me blush i'm not THAT good!
 
Don't go playing it down - twas an excellent performance and my young'un in the 4.7 was trying to keep you in view to take notes Big smile.
 
If all goes to plan I'll be losing some weight and getting fitter for the Nats this year..... hopefully I wont embarrass my kids too much LOL
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Originally posted by CharlieW505

Agree Oldarn,
 
I reckon most 505ers would prefer windward/leeward too given the choice.
In my experince, many PRO's seem quite happy to listen if we ask nicely for our preferences.
 
Of course there is politics if a 505 wins the asymetric fleet.
Also sailing in the middle handicap, it is always a good scrap to see if you can beat the f/ballers.


If you were to make one side of the kite 20mm or so shorter than the other then why the politics!
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Agree Oldarn,
 
I reckon most 505ers would prefer windward/leeward too given the choice.
In my experince, many PRO's seem quite happy to listen if we ask nicely for our preferences.
 
Of course there is politics if a 505 wins the asymetric fleet.
Also sailing in the middle handicap, it is always a good scrap to see if you can beat the f/ballers.
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I think they are allowed on the Fireball Jimbo (more about fashion i guess, but my prediction is they will all be using them in the next 5 years), the reason they are only starting to become popular now (excluding the merlin) is it's not the concept but the exercusion.  Using a twin spiro launcher is quicker then the old push out single launch pole, but the secret to the new breed of systems is the seperate guy and sheet systems, which remove the need for reaching hooks or twiners.  you can pre set the guy length so all you then have to worry about is getting the pole launched (by pulling a string) and grabbing the new sheet.  its wonderfully simple.  The older systems still used twinners or hooks which complicated/sloed the system.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Er why not make the old feckers race W/L then?<div id="myWatcherDiv" style="display:none;">
Better still Triangle Sausage caters for both. and if the beat's long enough and the reaches set deep?


erm, because they're old feckers and they don't like change.... it took how long for those double poles to become mainstream on some classes, even now I don't think they're allowed on some popular classes like fireballs?

You couldn't make a scratch crew from a couple of bored, knee wrecked laser sailors for a fireball and expect them to instinctively know what to do with the kite unless they'd used one before- that's where boats like the ASBO have such great potential, they're accessible, even for relative novices at the front end.

NB: ... potential is not the same as a 'future'- there's still too many old feckers who don't like change and clubs that can't lay on a decent course using orange dumpies rather than static waypoints.... all of this while the RYA's pursuit of medals kills off the youth interest- sail racing really is quite f**ked.

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I meant RTC, sorry. 

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Ruscoe

No Graeme the Bloody Mary is a straight RTS course. 
And RTS means?
 
RTS - Royal Televisual Society (not sure what it has to do with sailing though)
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Can see the need for fast and slow handicap starts, it's just nice to see very one going round the same course in roughly the same direction..



I agree, but it's back to practicalities. With so many entries at these events, it's a way of spitting the starts.
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Originally posted by rogue




I wouldn't knock events that provide both formats, it's good for the sport.


Since these big kited boats exist whether single or double handed, then, I agree, if it is practical in such events, then both formats are used, but if not practical and/or in tidal waters, then tough luck on the big kited asymmetrics.
I question whether the 505 need remain in the medium fleet now due to their large kites and the fact that (as I understand it) the class has opting for W/L courses. Perhaps it is time for them to join the fast asymmetrics.
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