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    Posted: 29 Dec 11 at 10:21am
Depends partly on what you want to spend.
Also do you aspire to going to any open meetings, trying to achieve better performance or just want to relax at the club?
One-class racing offers a lot that is hard to get from PY racing.
The finn seems to be having a bit of a resurgence, from top level new boats right through to vintage.
They carry weight well, but can you get under the boom?

Two handers, we the Alto looks OK, but you can get a very reasonable 505 for much less money, and it will probably be easier to sell on later. I would obviously say 400's are brilliant, and I could point you at people not ever so much lighter than yourself who make them go very well, but because of the hoop it's hard for a heavy helm to get forward enough in the light stuff.

To be honest I would think in terms of what races do I want to do/what venues do I want to attend and most importantly WHO do I want to race against? The people you compete with are the most important thing, I would compromise on the boat to find some good people to race against.
That means people I can enjoy socialising with, who are good enough sailors to make me improve, but not Olympic standard so they are over the horizon before I'm at the first mark...
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@GRF and rogue, yes that does look like Waldringfield, which doesn't dry out like Woodbridge and from the north is pretty much clear of trees. It's also wider. But you are right, all three clubs have moored boats to deal with, though again, woodbridge has the worst of that situation. 

@RS400atC, my approach is very much the local club where I have friends is the first consideration, so chilling is the main drive. I do like the idea of racing in a fleet, but i'm probably going to enjoy myself more in a boat better suited to my physical reality, and that boom is a serious consideration (I have early memories of terror couticy of the OK in that respect!!) As to the spend, well I could probably afford to by a new blaze/halo, but I'm not sure I'd get it passed the financial controller, and in any cash it's probably more sensible to go second hand initially to see how I get on with the various beasts. If I go two handed ill have to consider what my co-owner wants to spend as well.  I think a trip to excel in jan is in order, and possibly Crstal Palace in march. 
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Forget excel beardy- no one there worth seeing this year, dinghy exhibition is worth it though, you're not missing
Much at this time of year anyway!
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Although it ain't at Crystal Palace anymore!
Off topic, even Beneteau won't be at Excel this year and it's certainly not worth it for the few dinghies that exhibit.
Back on topic, singlehanded wise a Blaze/halo or a Phantom would seem your best choices and you'd be able to sell either on easily enough if the two man option came to fruition.
For the two handers, if by 'modern' you mean asymmetric then a 400, L2000 or Xenon are you're only realistic options I think. You may be too for the L2000 though. or you could forego the kite...
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Following the comments on boom height (on Finns and OKs), please note that these comments are probably posted by people who haven't sailed them.  These boats are sailed upwind with no kicker on, when you release the sheet to tack the boom rises and there's as much room to get under the boom as nearly all other dinghies.
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personally I would say Phantom, but then I would wouldn't I? They were designed on the east coast for river/estuary sailing. However that said if there are Finn's in your club then if you can find something suitable it would make more sense if you want fleet racing. If you want to go faster and take part in open meetings then the Phantom makes more sense. There is a very vibrant eastern series where there is a lot of socialising to take part in, and it is very good fun. Have a look at the Phantom website www.phantomclass.org.uk and see what events are already pencilled in for 2012. There are more to come
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Originally posted by PeterV

Following the comments on boom height (on Finns and OKs), please note that these comments are probably posted by people who haven't sailed them.  These boats are sailed upwind with no kicker on, when you release the sheet to tack the boom rises and there's as much room to get under the boom as nearly all other dinghies.


I must admit I've only sailed a vintage one, years ago, it seemed a bit of a panic crash tacking it on a shift, compared to the Solo I was used to at the time.
Are you saying it's different when the mast's not made of wood?  ;-)
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Since I have three masts for mine, the original wooden one, an alloy Needlespar and a carbon mast I'm well qualified to say that they're all the same, and there's as much room under the boom as a Laser, Enterprise, Lark etc.
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Originally posted by rogue

Grumpf- the Deben has several sailing options from tree lined, very tidal affected 'river' sailing in Woodbridge, through to the Ferry, which has a lovely tidal bar to chuck up some serious sh*t in an easterly/north easterly . That looks more like Waldringfield to me, by can't really tell.

Sure, that's Waldringfield. They do sail on all tides but plenty of shallows at low water and though bags of water at high tide, racing tends to be processional. Deben YC always race at high tide when ther is plenty of space and variety. Racing is far less processional with potentially long courses and a stretch known as 'Troublesome Reach' where a challenging figure of eight course is available. I agree not suitable for asymmetric single handers!

Sadly Felixstowe Ferry SC has become a gastro-pub. There is no weekend racing and only a Wednesday evening race for a few lasers and one or two other assorted boats. What a waste of a great facility and wonderful sailing waters.
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Originally posted by oldarnus


Originally posted by rogue

Grumpf- the Deben has several sailing options from tree lined, very tidal affected 'river' sailing in Woodbridge, through to the Ferry, which has a lovely tidal bar to chuck up some serious sh*t in an easterly/north easterly . That looks more like Waldringfield to me, by can't really tell.
Sure, that's Waldringfield. They do sail on all tides but plenty of shallows at low water and though bags of water at high tide, racing tends to be processional. Deben YC always race at high tide when ther is plenty of space and variety. Racing is far less processional with potentially long courses and a stretch known as 'Troublesome Reach' where a challenging figure of eight course is available. I agree not suitable for asymmetric single handers!Sadly Felixstowe Ferry SC has become a gastro-pub. There is no weekend racing and only a Wednesday evening race for a few lasers and one or two other assorted boats. What a waste of a great facility and wonderful sailing waters.


Thanks oldarn- good to know the old grey matter can still recollect childhood memories of 'looking for shark's teeth at 'the rocks', hopefully the Maybush pub grub is better than it was in the 80's- that sucks about Ferry, apart from one encounter with a right cock of a laser sailor in what, 1988 (how things change heh) it looked a cracking spot for dinghy sailing.
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