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    Posted: 07 Dec 11 at 12:12am
Originally posted by blaze720

Maybe the Icon would be a good teamracer?

(.... and 1/3rd of the most expensive from what I hear)

Funnily enough the team racing bit has been said by someone who sailed it very recently but arguably slower boats do provide closer racing.  Plus the Firefly is a bit bullet-proof (student-proof) even if really gives advantage to those on the light side.  In the day I preferred Larks ...

Mike L.

Larks were OK.
Bosuns were OK if there was some breeze.
Laser II's without kite or trapeze were miserable for a largish crew!

I enjoyed team racing, when done well. Long time ago though!
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by the time I was at uni, Larks were generally miserable as no uni had bought any in years, and the remaining ones tended to have issues with key features such as "staying afloat".

For some bizarre reason, Strathclyde had a set of RS200s. Trying to race those downwind in a blow without a spinnaker was "entertaining".

As a larger crew, I'd much rather have had something like an Icon than our Fireflies.
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Originally posted by alstorer

As a larger crew...


You been 'bulking up' then Al? I don't recall you being particularly obese in the usual clinical sense..
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suprised me the Snipe didn't catch on for team-racing, quite nice boats really based on a few sails in one stateside some time ago
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little byte for windy days, big byte for light days....
the same, but different...

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by the time I was at uni, Larks were generally miserable as no uni had bought any in years, ...

I did say 'in the day' ... inflation up to 28%, beer about 15p a pint but going up almost weekly (and we moaned !) winter of 'discontent'  and university boats, often Larks, were treated miserably as ever ... one of the unversal constants.  Still are from what I see but they have mostly shrunk into that retro 'classic'  ... that is the Firefly !

Remember you have never had is so good ... as .. er .... or was that us ?

Mike L.

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I've finally found the stats I did for last years SJ.  I'm quite chuffed that some of my predictions back then are very close :)
Sail Juice PY Stats 2010
  PY Ave Diff Max PY Min PY PY Range Number of Results   New PY ? GGP 2012 Variance from last year Ave
420 1089 1028 -61 1126 969 157 5 Performed well at TT    1075 47
505 902 877 -25 969 750 219 14 Slight adjustment to PY? 890 895 18
12 * 1089 1061 -29 1088 1021 67 4     1065 4
29er 924 924 0 969 851 118 12 PY seems fair   893 -31
ALBACORE 1065 1077 12 1108 1031 77 6     1064 -13
Alto 925 942 17 965 919 46 4     910 -32
BLAZE 1046 1041 -5 1077 986 91 10 PY seems fair   1026 -15
CANOE INTERNATIONAL with an Asymmetric 870 879 9 892 866 26 2     870 -9
Challenger 1177 1206 29 1241 1164 77 8     1174 -32
Comet Race 1050 1062 12 1066 1057 9 2     1050 -12
Devoti D One 971 965 -6 971 960 11 3     971 6
ENTERPRISE 1116 1157 41 1177 1111 66 6     1130 -27
Europe 1140 1174 34 1174 1174 0 1     1143 -31
Finn 1062 1104 42 1104 1104 0 1     1060 -44
FIREBALL 982 958 -24 1003 899 104 14 Slight adjustment to PY? 970 970 12
Flying Dutchman 879 811 -68 811 811 0 1     880 69
Flying Fifteen 1025 1026 1 1067 969 98 19 PY seems fair   1023 -3
GP14 1127 1133 6 1148 1101 47 8     1130 -3
K1 1066 1120 54 1120 1120 0 1     1060 -60
LARK 1073 1092 19 1128 1024 104 15 Slight adjustment to PY? 1085 1073 -19
LASER 1080 1112 32 1146 1047 99 19 Slight adjustment to PY? 1110 1118 6
Laser 2000 1090 1128 38 1160 1091 69 5     1100 -28
Laser 3000 1032 1075 43 1075 1075 0 1     1007 -68
LASER 4.7 1175 1187 12 1187 1187 0 1     1205 18
Laser 4000 908 928 20 937 907 30 4     911 -17
LASER RADIAL 1104 1146 42 1160 1120 40 7     1056 -90
LASER VAGO XD Single handed 1070 1100 30 1110 1090 20 2     1115 15
LASER VORTEX (with assy) 937 967 30 974 960 14 2     937 -30
MERLIN-ROCKET * 1006 977 -29 1058 920 138 23 Another boat with a big PY range  980 990 13
MUSTO SKIFF 875 849 -26 910 808 102 16 Slight adjustment to PY? 865 855 6
Nat 12 1089 1136 47 1136 1136 0 1     1065 -71
OK 1109 1114 5 1150 1011 139 21 PY seems fair   1114 0
OPTIMIST 1646 1669 23 1679 1660 19 3     1646 -23
Osprey 940 917 -24 920 913 7 2     940 23
PHANTOM 1035 1012 -23 1083 931 152 62 Slight adjustment to PY? 1012 1015 3
RS 100 - 10.2 1005 990 -15 1088 950 138 9 Slight adjustment to PY? 995 990 0
RS 200 1057 1056 -1 1118 1000 118 13 PY seems fair   1057 1
RS 300 1000 1009 9 1051 942 109 15 PY seems fair   1000 -9
RS 400 950 966 16 991 926 65 17 PY seems fair   949 -17
RS 600 920 929 9 993 858 135 18 PY seems fair   920 -9
RS 800 822 819 -3 855 773 82 4     812 -7
SCORPION 1055 1052 -3 1098 1004 94 17 PY seems fair   1053 1
SOLO 1155 1168 13 1208 1109 99 13 PY seems fair   1163 -5
SPLASH 1184 1226 42 1226 1226 0 1     1184 -42
STREAKER 1162 1137 -25 1161 1113 48 6     1172 35
Tasar 1023 1063 40 1063 1063 0 1     1023 -40


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The Grafham Grand Prix Notice of Race has been updated to show extra classes and a few minor changes.
 
 
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here are some of the results of the pys our club has spat out, the new py is calculated from each classes perfomance against the predicted class py range (used and suggested).   whether we will use the suggested pys from the rya, stick to the old formula of you can veto your suggested handicap or these we will have to wait and see. Hopefully we can convince everyone that making everyone move handicap if it is suggested is the fairest way to go for everyone.

class used py suggested py new py movement



b14 882 864 845 -37



merlin rocket 1006 1007 988 -18



n18 957 941 940 -17



fireball 980 953 970 -10



musto 860 853 855 -5



k6 903 894 902 -1



29er 924 918 925 1



49er 744 725 745 1



spitfire 712 706 716 4



phantom 1037 1034 1043 6



Laser 3000 1032 1010 1038 6



blaze 1046 1034 1055 9



rs700 864 858 874 10



rs600 920 920 930 10



Laser 2000 1090 1090 1103 13



Laser 4000 910 912 925 15



300 1000 996 1016 16



rs400 950 950 971 21



laser 1080 1081 1107 27



420 1087 1100 1117 30

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 Can add another to the list ...

'They' have decided in the infinate wisdom that goes with those who rely on 'hearsay' to set 'local handicaps'  that Icon should start with the Merlin rockets off 990.   We are obviously sailing far too fast or 'they' would rather the FF's (similar speeds) should hold forth cos they are really nice and steady sort of fellows etc. (Conspirosy theories rule etc ) Sorry we don't have the 'marketing clout' to get something a bit more realistic really but what the ***k - who really cares.  We might have a bit of sailing fun anyway if it blows

If the crew does not get into a right sulk and  try and win the singlehanders as an alternative we may be there in '03' ... to prove it should be between 1020 and 1040.  Either that or we put a third sail on it !!  LOL   now there's a thought !

Mike L.

PS - So come on Greame .. Go on - we dare you .... ask them for for a V-2 handicap  !!!!? (you don't have to go ... just ask !)
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