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    Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:07am
Originally posted by Jon Emmett

The UKLA (UK Laser class training) is open to all members of the class and is done on a regional basis to keep people fuel and accommodation costs down.

I would always recommend class specific training where practical.
 
Plus Jon has a list of regional coaches who are available for daily hire if your club wanted to organise a Laser specific day (plus some of these do other classes too).
 
Well worth it in my view, once you split it down you can get the cost down to around £15-£20/head (which inclides food if you have control of your own galley). Plus if it is for adults your RYA RDO may dip his hand in his pocket as well.
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The UKLA (UK Laser class training) is open to all members of the class and is done on a regional basis to keep people fuel and accommodation costs down.

I would always recommend class specific training where practical.
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Originally posted by patj

+1 for class training - we've learnt a lot from Lark class training sessions but time in boat is the best training.

Ditto in the RS 400 and 600.
What it takes is for someone to get a group of trainees together, organise the facilities and work with the class to find the coach(es).
Most classes have coaches or potential coaches who can be organised to help you, but I think it has to be driven by the people who want it to happen.
In general, coaches don't go looking for weekends to organise, but they are there if you look for them.
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+1 for class training - we've learnt a lot from Lark class training sessions but time in boat is the best training.
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I have been on two of the Laser training weekends and had a coach come and give 6 adults training. Both were very good and ratios are low.
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A touch of explanation: There are training courses for adults well beyond level 2, which is the most basic, the trouble is finding places that will run them.  Courses such as those above RYA Start Racing often don't happen because in fact the instructors at most clubs are not qualified to coach them - they do call for a relatively high level of expertise.

There are a lot of freelance coaches around, especially in the solent area.  Go to the RYA forum via their website and go to the section RYA people wanted/available.  Find someone who meets your needs or place your own ad.  An RYA coach is likely to have the insurance cover you need - check they have this.

At club level look for people who feel the same way as you do - there will be some - then get together and hire your own coach or use a club one - to run the sessions that you feel you want.  These don't have to be class specific.  At Hunts we have run lots of different kinds of adult training - race and general sailing technique - both for specific classes and for effectively a handicap fleet - and this has worked well.  Often it can be the only way of getting numbers up.

Another plan could be to get a group of local clubs to join together and run some training - this again helps get numbers up.  Your Regional Development Officer can help with this.  Get commitment from people in advance ie payment, so people keep turning up.

One more thing - becoming a race coach level 2 is relatively straight forward if you are a competent club racer, and typically costs very little.  You can then run your own coaching, from which you will learn a great deal, plus make lots of useful contacts with other coaches in the area.  Peer coaching can be extremely effective and enjoyable.

If all this fails get on the M11 and come and join us.  I am shortly going to be nagging Jeffers to provide some help with coaching here at Hunts!

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Jon Emmett is the UKLA training officer and he organises training for all UKLA members http://www.jonemmettsailing.co.uk/index.php?page=laser_coaching.  This is for adults as well as youths.
 
It is mainly taken up by the youths but you wouldn't be the only adult on the courses that are offered.
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This what we have had happening at Hunts over the last few years. Our centre principal was very big on getting adult partivipation up.
 
to this end courses and sessions were run where those less experienced could either get some RYA bits of paper under their belt or have more tailor coaching sessions with a more experienced sailor.
 
What you may need to do is take the bull by the horns and speak to your centre principal, there is fundind available from RYA RDO's specifically for adult training and coaching. We have had 2 coaching days that the RYA had contributed too where we have had high profile coaches come in for specific fleets.
 
It does come down to those wanting it speaking to the club and the club then organising it.
 
Other things you might wish to consider is doing a performance week/weekend at one of the UK based centres (Plas Menai in North Wales is one I have done). I got a lot out of it and I only really went to have a play in various assymetric boats while my other half learnt to sail.
 
the other thing that will seriously improve your sailing and understanding is to do an instructors course.
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Training for the kiddies is there because the rya encourage , support and nurture it, developing youngsters from oppies through to olympic boats , meanwhile decimating clubs , taking their percieved life blood away like the pied piper , with their offers of "squaddie jackets " those that dont  raise to the game , flounder and dissapear , , consequently clubs see great waves of youngsters coming into clubs , clubs spending all their time and effort nurturing them to be left with a handfull if VERy lucky at the end ,
All this to win some gold medals , which get forgotten about quick enough.
 
 
This process goes on and on , no one learns , our club riding the 3rd wave .
 
Club racing dies , adults stand around with bemused looks , if not carting junior around country at great expensense and detriment to more things than I care to list !!!
 
When will Clubs realise , to boost flagging memberships over the long term , adult sailing needs same level of nurturing , training , club boats , etc , once you hook an adult , its for life .
 
 
Sceptical me ???? Wink
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Most class associations run adult training, but you will probably need to travel to another club to do it unless you can organise enogh people in the same class at your club to make it worthwhile having your class organise a session there. This level of training really has to be class based simply because the techniques vary so much between classes.
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