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    Posted: 08 Sep 11 at 12:18am
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by G.R.F.

I have had an official complaint from a Vortex representative of a high echelon and request that their logo be removed

How sad! Its a Vortex sail. Get over it. Yes it would be bad manners if you were racing it, but for development sailing why on earth not.

Well JimC, its not actually true,  so I'm not sure if Grumph was trolling to get me to respond or not - but looks like he 'got' you instead. There has most definately been no complaint - official or otherwise from the Vortex class. In fact I helped source the sail for him.
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Well if a few multihull morons can be brought back onto the path of true sailing righteousness by this device then fair enough, but it aint a cat, it's a tunnel hulled split planing surface three stage rockered hull.

Do they get Cats on Frensham Puddle? Hmm probably not. The accent alone would prevent access.
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This is a great - V-twin topic hijacked by Cat talk.

Proof this thread should be moved to the multihull section? Please please please Mr Moderator. It will make grumfs week, surely.
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Originally posted by alstorer

... did the D-Class ever actually happen?

A few on the west coast of the US. 
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

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Well, I've lost a bet there - I didn't think you'd manage to work the title of Linda Lovelace's book into this until page 60....
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Originally posted by rogue

I do wonder if there was an element of unfortunate timing there Jim... having seen the boat recently I do think you were onto something, and 'Version 2011' could be more exotic without necessarily the cost constraints you no doubt faced back then.

There were three mainstreams offerings to bored laser sailors kicking around... Laser EPS, RS300 and Blaze. Probably when dinghy marketing was at its strongest too.   Only one of those is really in main active production today (okay, okay... you and five mates can get a batch of 300s made if you really want them...)

Maybe when we've clawed out of the economic rut there will be more space for another development 'class', although why you'd saddle a fluid concept of loose commonality with the dinghy baggage of a class structure I don't know.


Oh come on, there is nothing to stop you and your mates playing round with individually designed boats but if you wish to race properly and encourage others to join in then you need some design parameters to make it fair. What better way than with a class association?
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Both new rules Canoes and Cherubs have a majority of partial or complete homebuilds in recent years. I think there may be N12 homebuilds, but I'm not well up on the class. I would think that the pseudo clinker bit of Merlin Rocket construction effectively precludes practical homebuilding in foam sandwich. You have to be very determined to want to build conventionally in wood these days when foam requires so much less skill and effort for a decent result. Having said that someone at my club has just produced a nice wooden Solo carefully juggled to within a very few millimeters of the current Winder foam boats...
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None of the development classes we have are being built at home any more, are they, bar a few people experimenting with the new Canoe rules?
 
The Classic Int Moths in the USA have a strongish thing going with the low aspect Moth rig as one design and putting old rules Int Moths (11ft long, 5 feet wide) underneath. That is probebly the only development class that would tempt me at all, but I can't see it happening at all over here. Any class that has not only chopped front and back off a Laser as a hull, but also done similar to a Fireball has got to be a fun class to be in!
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I do wonder if there was an element of unfortunate timing there Jim... having seen the boat recently I do think you were onto something, and 'Version 2011' could be more exotic without necessarily the cost constraints you no doubt faced back then.

There were three mainstreams offerings to bored laser sailors kicking around... Laser EPS, RS300 and Blaze. Probably when dinghy marketing was at its strongest too.   Only one of those is really in main active production today (okay, okay... you and five mates can get a batch of 300s made if you really want them...)

Maybe when we've clawed out of the economic rut there will be more space for another development 'class', although why you'd saddle a fluid concept of loose commonality with the dinghy baggage of a class structure I don't know.
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The International Canoe is a development singlehander.

Its funny, people talk about how there ought to be another development singlehander, but that's all it is: talk. I built one and no-one else came.

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I dunno where RS400atc gets his weird thing about daggerboard rudders from. Suffice to say that we in the development classes introduced them on our boats (certainly in the 80s, if not the 70s, I forget, but I built one in the mid 80s and I'm sure I was a long way from being the first) because we were fed up with lifting rudders which genuinely do tend to self explode if they come up a bit on a fast boat. An RS400, of course, is not a fast boat in these terms.
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