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    Posted: 07 Sep 11 at 1:17pm
Dude you bought into a '59er' who cares what you think?
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I wouldn't want to buy into something that looks like a cross between a Magnum lollypop on its side and a lake Michigan scow. All that wetted surface area, and again non-linear drag on the displacement to planing curve. Nah, not my cuppa at all. Wot's the point of putting a (deliberately) deludedely designed, oversize surfboard together with a conventional sail plan? It'll only fit one man's dream, but definitely not mine. I'll stick to my Musto and when I can have a bit of a laugh with my daughter blasting on my 59er or on someone's 49er. But not that, it's just, well, plain daft. Confused
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

one Swallow doth not a summer make,


especially when the swallows are flying away to warmer climates....

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Originally posted by winging it

surely it'd be Grumpf Advanced Yotting?

 
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It would be great if there were a single hander class to accommodate what I'm trying to achieve, we'd all benefit, instead of being force fed the stuff we have been by others with whatever Agenda it is that keeps them building flawed boats.

Why do they do it? Because 'they' are all very very good sailors who make the false assumption the rest of us should be able to cope with their new toys and then use the crude '80's elitism marketing ploy to embarrass folk into buying them on the 'me too' premise.

The sport is littered with them, RS700, MPS, RS100, D1 all prestigious boats yet flawed with operational issues especially if you happen to be my build, then at the next level, Blaze, Phantom, Supernova, Solo, Streaker, et al, they're old, from the nineties and pretty damn boring, just cos you're getting on a bit doesn't mean you still don't want the rush, as well as the tranquility of sailing.

So if this thing does spawn another 'look' at what folk want rather than what the bearded yellow wellie Frensham dwelling weirdoes or Pasta Lakeland Monkeys want to spoon feed us then that will be all well and good, but lets not get too premature, one Swallow doth not a summer make, she's still got the English Channel and maybe the Weymouth speed week test to take and they are very different bits of water to the Solent at Calshot.
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can anyone please translate all the cats stuff into dinghy?
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Originally posted by RS400atC

I suppose that's where the dev. classes are? Is there still an open A class?
As in the cats? Very strong class internationally, still developing (they've been toying with wings), 100+ Worlds with good depth of countries attending.
C still exists as a niche, the development side of B got killed off by the OD version (Tornado)- did the D-Class ever actually happen?
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surely it'd be Grumf Advanced Yotting?
the same, but different...

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I'd say anything goes, as long as they pay a monthly licence fee of £50 to GRF Innovations Limited.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Not sure how you could frame a set of rules that kept the concept of the V Twin but allowed restricted development without having a measurement form so long you'd run out of welsh forest. Maybe a smod hull but with just a max sail area above it?
 

I was thinking more the opposite.
Standard rig, at least outline, i.e. black band dimensions.
Very few hull rules, length, beam, and a low minimum weight.
Conventional kick-up centreboard and rudder(s). No horizontal foils.

I suppose you need some cunning words to stop catamarans?
I suppose that's where the dev. classes are? Is there still an open A class?
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Interesting what Tickel says.

My view is that there is a niche for more development classes.
The Merlin has evolved into something where you can either buy an off-the-shelf boat, or design your own. Or race an older boat on restricted water.
Obviously Merlins have a lot more rules about hull form than say I14's.
And a weight based on old wooden boats.

The only development singlehander is the Moth, which is not really open to many of us, being too old, heavy, tall, lazy etc.
Wouldn't it be great if you could design/build your own boat and race against others?
Wouldn't that actually move development forward?
Obviously it's going to be expensive if everyone goes the professional route as GRF has.
Maybe a more '70's Cherub' ethos is needed, encouraging home builds.
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