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bferry ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 09 Location: Malta Online Status: Offline Posts: 190 |
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Maybe a sufboard type leash would ensure that the boat stays attached to you, provided its safe to wear.
Or.. you could sail with a pair of flippers on to make you swim faster
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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GRF with the flotation in the rig and the solid wings I fear you risk your contraption will blow downwind much faster than you can swim should you ever become seperated on a windy day.
I know you say only an imbecile could capsize it ... but it's worth considering the "what ifs" ... easy to slip and fall over the side, or miss a toe strap should you decide on some mild hiking. |
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Hughph ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Oct 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 324 |
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Sounds like a great idea, but how would the cunningham work with the inflatable luff?
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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And often noticeable on yachts. This is generally because there is a fault in the cut of the jib. It is impossible to keep the jib luff straight as it always sags. This causes the camber of the jib to change and in many cases the jib leech hooks, backing the mainsail behind the mast. The jib camber needs to be the same or slightly reducing all the way up to the head. If it increases due to luff sag, even the best mainsail will back wind. A sail maker has to account for jib luff sag and cut a corresponding hollow into the jib luff to compensate and keep the camber even or slightly reducing towards the head. Of course there are other reasons for mainsail back winding but when not over powered and both jiob and main are pinned in and boat is upright, this is the main reason. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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It tacks really well, got back in the Alto yesterday and now can't wait to get out of it. The only thing I don't like the look of is the lee side bow wash, but that's me nit picking, it gybes as sweetly as it tacks, even with the kite up. The kite goes up and down better than anything I've ever experienced, point taken about the Vortex, the mast is an RS700 mast, I'm wondering if it's a bit soft for that Vortex main. I plan to make what I can best describe as an Air batten sail, like a kite surfing kite, so the leading edge will have an air bladder, maybe with split batten either side of the mast maybe not, it might be too complex, but definitely air bag battens, anyone familiar with our Slingshot kites and their split strut construction, so the air bags get their air off the main leading edge bladder, a single point inflation system, blow it up to about 8-9 psi they get quite rigid, I've got all the necessary bits to do it at work. I shall probably have conventional battens on the trailing edge, so the sail will be semi soft but the foil should be quite defined yet tuneable. This will fulfill two things, one the sail will be lighter and two, no way will it sink. I'd also thought about messing with the leading edge of the jib in the same way, but conventional wisdom (Jamie) has warned me off messing with the jib. The only thing that's not been done before, is air battens that tack, kites tend to stay on the same tack, so some R&D work will need to be done over the winter. I don't envision it being anything like as fast on our water and I certainly don't expect it will plane up wind, that's only the second time I've ever truly planed upwind in a dinghy ever, unless it's offshore wind and the sea flattens out, which is why it's also going to be important to me to sail it high on one hull and the racks don't dig in to lee side waves. One quick point, when you say the Vortex main is not 'optimised' for a jib, what should I be doing to that end, they 'mains with jibs' always seem prone to backing which I don't actually like, I appreciate the airflow gets detached and rejoins further down the rear of the main, but other than making the main keep it's shape what more should I be looking for?
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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I think you will need a lot of masthead buoyancy (or equivalent) to be truly 'inversion proof'.
These days, it seems the majority of my capsizes are some sort of 'gybe-sploosh' experience. If you wipeout at speed in waves, inversion is always a possibility. A wide, buoyant hull probably makes it more likely as the boat will capsize to more than 90 degrees before the mast hits the water. The inertia of the hull means it's unlikely to stop at that point unless you're already on the plate. Particularly in a decent chop. I've followed this with interest, not really sure what the success criteria are, but it looks as if it could be fast in flat water. Not so sure about the sea though, but happy to be proven wrong. |
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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Woo hoo that was me in the Video. It was unusually sudden - or maybe my reactions are shot and I need a V twin? Graeme - as you know, I've been following this on facebook, but here are some more thoughts.
My initial scepticism is partly removed, but unless it tacks like a dinghy, it may not fulfil one of your wishes (that you can enjoy close 'tactical' racing. Any comment on how it tacks? I guess it will need to be compared to the like of an MPS, Contender or Vortex rather than a Laser / RS200. Well done again for putting your money and time into this.
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Keith
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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thats the problem i had first thought of, what with all the "chasing the jib" we do upwind. I reckon its worth a try though, for the novelty if nothing else
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John Hamilton
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Well, I'm not one of the people who's tried it, but I think it would be extremely hard to keep the boat in the groove and driving because you've no reference points. |
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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jim, at the moment we have to on the new boat, the jib is flipping huge, this idea is only intended for a bit of single hand playing, where i can still capsize in relatively small gust even with the main fully dumped, and flat wiring!
its more for my curiosity than anything else! :)
thanks for the tip though, what actually goes wrong generally?
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John Hamilton
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