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    Posted: 27 Aug 11 at 6:09pm
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And...... can you, on your own, right the boat from turtle ???  Or do you have a lie down waiting for the rescue boat ?


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No, no. that is where it is much more on the dinghy end of the spectrum. I always found, the same as the capsize, that if you  bring the windward end up then it lifts fairly easily. There are grab handles under the boat to hang on to if required. If it is struggling to come up because you are too light or there is water in the mast then you can sink a corner like a cat.

There are many more far, far better vortexers than me to give guidance though. I sold mine earlier in the year as I wanted / needed something for more people.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

If perish the thought one might tip over, one expects it to right itself preferably, if that's not possible then a simple process requiring minimum effort is what is required and will be designed into the device - trust me.


Have a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=655COFngiQA

Yes, I know it's a cat but if you put a float on top of your mast, you could take inspiration and devise a one string, Eze Right device.  
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Originally posted by ham4sand

finally, i found a kind of self tyrimming jib on the swift solo site yesterday, im going to look at modifying it for my cherub for some single-handed action,

Worth noting that self trimming jibs have been tried any amount of times on Canoes over the years and always abandoned... If you want to know why go out two handed with your regular crew in the Cherub and try sailing upwind easing the jib with the main on every gust...
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It went over because a 96kilo lard boy decided to take a promenade up the front deck, went for a skatey slide on the carefully prepared slippy deck of his own machination and fell arse over tit, grabbed hold of something to try and save himself and God punished him by sending the lot over.
 He then couldn't use the centreboard to stand on because at that stage it was two bits stuck together and would have snapped if he walked out to the end. It had better come up or it will get left where it lies, it should be a lot easier to deal with than some I could mention, with wide gauge mesh on the racks and if necessary an idiot chord to hold onto I don't see this as a problem.

 This is supposed to be a 'Gentleman Sailors Performance Sailing Device' we Gentlemen do not like to look stupid, nor do we like too much effort, but we like our boats to go fast and we don't want to have to learn all over again when we're already perfectly capable of sailing other stuff.

If perish the thought one might tip over, one expects it to right itself preferably, if that's not possible then a simple process requiring minimum effort is what is required and will be designed into the device - trust me.


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Or think about a telescopic one. Long when you need it, short when you don't.
 
 
 
are you mental??? when you have that big f**k off kite up and get a little bit of weather heel, tiller loads up with lee helm, boom the telescoping mechanism collapses....
 
Oh! you're not a fan then.
I must confess I've never used one (the Sprint15, which I have recently bought, specifically prohibit them. Perhaps for the reason you cite).
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

As for turtle, it's got to go over in order to turtle and only a total imbecile could do that


Well, it's already gone over.   And turtled.  I guess it will do it again.  Can it be righted alone from turtle ?  Same question I asked about the Vortex. 
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Originally posted by simonrh

Mast is sealed but it does still turtle. It just makes a lovely sunbathing platform once inverted.



And...... can you, on your own, right the boat from turtle ???  Or do you have a lie down waiting for the rescue boat ?
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Originally posted by Andymac

 
Or think about a telescopic one. Long when you need it, short when you don't.
 
 
 
are you mental??? when you have that big f**k off kite up and get a little bit of weather heel, tiller loads up with lee helm, boom the telescoping mechanism collapses.......you may even capsize the v twin...not cool, happened to me on my old vago :/
 
oh and GRF, i wasnt the biggest believer in this thing actually working, but it looks pretty sweet, nice one!
 
finally, i found a kind of self tyrimming jib on the swift solo site yesterday, im going to look at modifying it for my cherub for some single-handed action, thought you might want to take a look too. its on page 19 of this pdf : http://www.single-handedskiffs.com/images/rigging_manual_volumn_1_June_1_2004.pdf
 
theres also a pretty nice mainsheet cleat design, and composite layup instuctions on page 29 of this one: http://www.single-handedskiffs.com/images/rigging_manual_volumn_2_June_1_2004.pdf
 
the whole sites a bit of a goldmine for ideas
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Ah, yes then it was, bloody horrible long thing, I hated it, but they tell me I'll need it, something a bit of bamboo would do better imv.

 
Bamboo!!!! Am I reading this correctly? This coming form the man who would normally burn all things wooden.
Just putting something wooden on it wont make it a classic Graham.
 
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

As for turtle, it's got to go over in order to turtle and only a total imbecile could do that
 
Just remind us, who is going to be driving it? Wink
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