V Twin

Originally posted by ob1 Originally posted by G.R.F. It's Atrocity, Jimbo's just forgotten his log in and had to create a new forum 'offender', it doesn't piss me off but he has been funnier.. <DIV style="DISPLAY: none" id=myWatcherDiv> actually, what happenedn to the rogue skiff - how is that going now?   and good luck with the launch etc GRF

OB1- the rogue skiff has been converted back to cherub status and sold to the cherubim at a horrendous loss.... don't buy a development class if you hope to retain any of its value!

I think the concept's right, but the hull platform didn't work for me- too narrow, too short, too light... possibly the antithesis of the V-Twin in design, but oddly-enough pretty much exactly the same goals.... if my experience is anything to go by, then the V-Twin will meet this goal, especially in a salty, windy prevailing condition to unstick the WSA.

My beast oth, needed a crew to help get it off the beach, it took 40 minutes oneday before I gave up. Capsize recovery was a real issue without someone to scoop up and get all the sh*t together, which basically makes it unseaworthy singlehanded. This is not something I'm prepared to accept as sailing alone without rescue cover is something I'd like to do quite often.

I might revisit the concept again at some point, but to be honest I'm enjoying windsurfing in my free time more at the moment- it fits better with a young family lifestyle and is a lot cheaper.

And Graeme, no Seamonkey and Atrocity are not my sockpuppets, I suspect the culprit is closer to home- two theories on that one, one of which would make you the saddest t**ser in sailing interweb land, so I hope that's not true ;-)

Jimbo



       

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Originally posted by rogue OB1- the rogue skiff has been converted back to cherub status and sold to the cherubim at a horrendous loss.... don't buy a development class if you hope to retain any of its value! I think the concept's right, but the hull platform didn't work for me- too narrow, too short, too light... possibly the antithesis of the V-Twin in design, but oddly-enough pretty much exactly the same goals.... My beast oth, needed a crew to help get it off the beach, it took 40 minutes oneday before I gave up. Capsize recovery was a real issue without someone to scoop up and get all the sh*t together, which basically makes it unseaworthy singlehanded. This is not something I'm prepared to accept as sailing alone without rescue cover is something I'd like to do quite often. I might revisit the concept again at some point

I never said it was going to be easy

Just a side point Jimbo. Did you ever try the mast where it was designed to be for single handing? Because with that mast position combined with the mast rake and low stern volume you were taking on a challenge leaving it in 2 up mode and single handing it. Did you try foam under the wings for extra time whilst recovering from a capsize or leaving the beach? This would of helped a lot. Especially in slowing down any transom standing when attempting to sail her single handed with mast in it's standard position ( ie with main and jib / helm and crew configeration ).

Anyway I'm glad my 'Banshee Ambulance' has eventually found a new home. And I'm sad you couldn't make her work for you. But maybe not as sad as I am having only sailed her for a short time and selling her due to my sons lack of interest in his sailing. Lets hope with her new owners she can show everyone what I know she can do.

Hi Jack,

Mate- no hard feelings from me to you at all!!!

No I didn't try the foam under the wings option, I'd given up with it by then due to time constraints as the windsurfing just seemed so much simpler to get TOW... it's quite liberating to rock up only armed with a screw driver rather than an entire tool box every time you go sailing.

Having spent a couple of hundred quid converting it to maintain a three sail option, I didn't have the heart or desire to f**k around with moving the mast to the forward mount- the rigging would all need adjusting and that's too much time.

So with little impetus to face the complexities of getting the Rogue Skiff on the water every time I could spare a few hours, I soon found it was sitting there doing nothing whilst I took the board out instead. I hadn't expected it to sell very quickly, but cherub values have effectively crashed, there's loads of boats on the market for next to nothing, so it was case of move it on or get stuck with it.

Better it's with someone who'll use it, rather than rotting in a dinghy park costing £x000 per year in depreciation and insurance.

I just hope GRF's new toy doesn't cost him time off the water tinkering, frustrated and spending more cash to fix and upgrade this or that.

Time is a commodity that can't be bought or sold... having your head stuck in a dinghy ashore bimbling and fannying around while everyone else is enjoying being on the water is something I don't think either of us relish the thought of.   



Edited by rogue - 12 Aug 11 at 1:31pm

I'd like to suggest that the first outing for this creation has to be the Bognor Birdman  

Edited by Xpletive - 23 Aug 11 at 4:08pm