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    Posted: 05 Aug 11 at 3:32pm
It's not about winning by handicap, it's about being first over the line, boat in the boat park, cover on before the next boat crosses the line.... Wink


Handicap means if there's a laser just sailing anywhere remotely near the course it'll win on handicap and be full to the gunwale with mackerel
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I am now thinking its looking like a cross between a fat fireball and a Funboat/Vortex.
However I cannot wait to be proved wrong when its winning all the handicap events later this year.....
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Seriously if your thinking PY even remotely near 900 then you must be fitting a pedalo style prop system in the void in the aft hull section.... I really dont see how that thing is going to sail quickly with all the wash swilling about between the aft hull sections disturbing flow?
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I'm curious as to the construction method as I just can't seem to figure it out from the photos on your site. I lost it when the mould was pulled away, followed by sanding and now laminating....
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Although not built to any box rules this thing is built to rules I set myself, i.e a monohull not a cat, fast yet helmed by a midget (but could be kids or wimmen) with average boat handling skills. Maximum length 490, max width 2.00m without racks so it'll fit in the boat park. Max weight 50 kgs all up.

As to what it looks like, I think you may be surprised once it's on the water and the underside hidden, I know for a fact the boys down in Romsey are genuinely excited as it has come together, (the mast is going up as this is written). I don't think they're just saying that, it is something very different and it's looking more and more likely to actually deliver every day. That hull looks a very good 'sea' boat, I'd happily take it across the Channel but equally I think it's going to work in flat water, maybe I see things differently to most, but I'm not even considering it aint going to work, I'm just wondering what horrendous *PY I'm going to end up with and am hoping it'll still be this side of 900.




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Originally posted by Jon711

But that scow, is built to twist the rating rules, GRF's boat will not be racing under rating rules, so yes he may be on something



The magnum mini transat does not race under any rating rule - it races in a box rule and theres a big difference in how that influences hull shape.

Designing for a rating rule involves creating the largest delta possible between actual performance and rated performance. The actual speed or seaworthyness of the boat is irrelevent, so long as you are faster than your rating says you are. (Unless of course you are designing for a specific rating band - say for the ComCup)

Box rules such as the Classe Mini give a maximum length, breadth, draft, and a mast height (along with some other restrictions on construction, safety and sail wardrobe) and it is up to the designer to come up with the fastest boat possible within those limits.
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Oh I would love to have my Mk3 Cortina 1600GT back. I loved that car, and there wasn't anything I couldn't fix or weld on it.

I really hope Graeme's boat works for him. I think it could well do, because he knows why it is like it is, and should be able to sail it accordingly.
Shouldn't be long now before we find out.
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If anything goes wrong, especially electrical, I'd *much* rather have the Cortina... And believe me, the Blaze hull shape is practically going back to the 60s and not a good era in the 60s either...
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To be honest, I'd prefer the Viva and Cortina, to the jelly mould style of today, but that's not the point you were trying to make. As long as GRF paints it white and not some daft colour so it looks like a submarine or a grain silo I actually think it will LOOK alright, especially with a nice square top rig on it.
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But that scow, is built to twist the rating rules, GRF's boat will not be racing under rating rules, so yes he may be on something, (And I want the contact details of the dealer, he must sell strong stuff!) but only time will tell if he is going the right way.... I hope not!! (No offence Graham), I just think the scow shape hulls are taking us back to the 1960's, and are not particularly atractive! After all, to use a car analogy, would you rather drive a Vauxhall Insignia, or a Vauxhall Viva, a Ford Mondeo or a Ford Cortina? Things go in circles, but would be surprised if this closed the loop!

Still, only time will tell, and good luck GRF for thinking out of the box, and trying something different. Please do not take offence, but I would rather stick with the Blaze!
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