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    Posted: 22 May 11 at 10:43pm

Originally posted by Jaws

It was a light day, and I was screamed at for such atrocities as holding the extension near to the joint because I was sitting in the boat, not automatically moving forward within a second of the crew moving, and for being a little nervous in handling the boat (this being my first proper time out on a 29er, which handles like a pig in light winds). 

Sounds to me like you done ALL the same things as I would have done in the same situation but you were proberly a bit more nice about it then I would have been.
So fair enough & well said

 
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Originally posted by Jaws

It seems to be much better suited to ponds; with such a small kite for a skiff, and so little volume in the bow, avoiding the back of the next wave going downwind is quite important. That's in short, sharp chop. I don't know how it handles in big, long waves but the photos on here show that it's interesting... http://www.capizzano.com/29worlds2011/index.html
Having sailed my boat at both types of venue (e.g. Grafham for the inlands and HISC for the Youth Nationals I would disagree on this since the only problems you can have is if you don't steer through the waves and aren't prepared to get back upwind and down (I sometimes find myself perched off back corner when my crew is in the groove downwind :D (or out the back after over-balancing during a gybe) ;) tmol
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Originally posted by doeywizard

Just out of interest 
What do you think of the 29er to sail, easiness and ideal weight and crew ability?
would it work for me?
 I am a OK sailor (can come 4th in open events and have a 2nd in a youth travellers event) I weigh about 63kg and sail a topper and radial at the moment. My crew would be my mother in very light winds if she wanted to go out and in any stronger winds I would be able to rope in one of my friends at the club. 

29er is great if you can put in the time required and accept that to start with there are conditions you would have loved before that are simply too challenging but as long as you have experience sailing with a crew and both of you are happy to have a laugh and get wet then your fine. regarding weight, I'm 70kgs and my crew is the same which we find is roughly right but ideally I need to lose some weight and my crew gains some so we don't lose out in light airs and have more leverage in heavy winds. Last thing, from experience the boat is harder to sail well in light winds than medium/ strong winds and it also probably halves the learning curve if you stop chopping and changing crews :) Hope I've helped
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I'm not giving up the 29er, merely considering whether a 700 would be worth it if I remain without a helm or crew for another few months. I think my dad's started to enjoy it now though, it reminds him of his fireball days.

There's some people with whom the calm, firm talk approach works. This particular individual was not among those, and only extreme action would have worked. I spent a long time considering what was right before I did so, but I arrived at the conclusion that such action was necessary.

Regarding the 29er, horrendous the first few times out, like trying to sail a waterski. Then something clicks and it becomes a lovely little thing, although no less punishing of errors. 55-65 kg is about ideal for a helm, 65-75 kg on the crew. Ideal total weight is 120-135 kg. I'm a bit light to crew, but when my most likely helm is only 50 there's not masses of choice. It seems to be much better suited to ponds; with such a small kite for a skiff, and so little volume in the bow, avoiding the back of the next wave going downwind is quite important. That's in short, sharp chop. I don't know how it handles in big, long waves but the photos on here show that it's interesting... http://www.capizzano.com/29worlds2011/index.html
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as an alternative method you could have always pushed him out and left him : )
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Originally posted by Jaws

It was a light day, and I was screamed at for such atrocities as holding the extension near to the joint because I was sitting in the boat, not automatically moving forward within a second of the crew moving, and for being a little nervous in handling the boat (this being my first proper time out on a 29er, which handles like a pig in light winds). 


Did you explain, calmly but firmly, that you weren't prepared to be spoken to like that? Might work, might not but it's worth a try before giving up on someone.
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One of the main things to think about is who you are going to race against and how else will you learn?

Racing in a fleet will teach you more than racing handicap, but any coaching you can get is even more valuable.
Weight is all very well, but I'd often prefer to be lighter and more agile.
Weight equalisation on equalises those sailors who are the right way up...............
It's mostly about 'fairer' results in races.
What's your goal? To win races? or to learn a demanding boat and be a better sailor?
Or just to do 20+knots on the water?
Nothing wrong with any of those, but it can help to be clear about what you want.
If you want to try the trapeze single hander route, RS600's are relatively cheap to buy, if you put the hours in and get competent with that you would be well placed to sail most things.
Probably sell it on after a year or two with little money lost.
Unfortunately a lot of things come down to money.

Maybe you are giving up on 29ers too easily due to the wrong partnership. They look like nice boats to me (as they fly past the 400!), and there is certainly good racing to be had. Have you investigated coaching options and thought about different partners?
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Just out of interest 
What do you think of the 29er to sail, easiness and ideal weight and crew ability?
would it work for me?
 I am a OK sailor (can come 4th in open events and have a 2nd in a youth travellers event) I weigh about 63kg and sail a topper and radial at the moment. My crew would be my mother in very light winds if she wanted to go out and in any stronger winds I would be able to rope in one of my friends at the club. 
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that is kinda harsh of him, 
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It was a light day, and I was screamed at for such atrocities as holding the extension near to the joint because I was sitting in the boat, not automatically moving forward within a second of the crew moving, and for being a little nervous in handling the boat (this being my first proper time out on a 29er, which handles like a pig in light winds). 
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