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    Posted: 15 May 11 at 6:47pm
I have sailed a vago, erm sorry if my last post was much help I am rather biast towards lasers as I have just moved onto one. I found that the vago is not the best boat to sail single handed as I have done but that was with all three sails and a trapeze. In gusty weather I realy strugled as I found it quite tippy, it was up and down. However I am only 9.5 stone. In the gusty stuff I did have crew but it cept heeling to windward after gusts and I had a lot of playing the main sheet to be done. (more than normal to prevent a capsize)
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hi, late starter. what i found with the nova was the cockpit was just to small for me, also was a pain to get back upright when it did go over. i found that the laser 2000 was beter set up and when we did get it over the open transom made getting back in easy. the phantom is just to fast for me. At the moment i have an old solo also to play with and thats ok but not so well sorted as the laser 2000. i know i want the earth, ie a good starter boat with an up to date layout, easy to get back up and back in, large cockpit, small training sail area and yet be able to up the sail area at a later date. terry  
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Terry

Yes the small cockpit thing is a real problem with us bigger sorts, I used to sail a Laser so know what you mean. I'd come off the water after doing a couple of races and being bent into all sorts of shapes trying to fit into the thing and be limping for days afterwards!   If you've gone from a Nova to a Solo you'll be aware of the massive increase in comfort you get with a more traditional deep cockpit "sit in" rather than "sit on" type boat. The Laser 2000 is well liked, but as far as I'm aware Laser don't do any singlehanders anything like it - people may suggest a Laser with an 8.1 rig, but I think you'll still be in the cramped Laser syndrome. I do like the look of the Megabyte, which is a modern deep cockpit singlehander for bigger types, but unfortunately it's never gained traction in the UK market.

Sad to say but I don't think there is an obvious solution, as all the options I can think of have all got down sides. My personal compromise was to get a half decent Solo, I can't say I find the boat particularly interesting but its comfortable, reasonably competitive, and I know that if and when someone finally designs my ideal boat I can sell it for just about what I paid for it. Good luck in whatever you chose, it's a great sport, and being on the water in any boat beats doing most other things!

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thanks late starter good advice. I will never get back into a laser 1, and it looks like i will be keeping the solo. its a pity that boat makers just leave out us old boys, I don,t wish to hang out like some fool or spend half the day in the water. and yes the solo is a boring boat. maybe i need to look at getting a better one. thanks again tony.
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To be honest mate, I would just try out as many different boats as you can and see what takes your fancy.
Also, i recommend getting some more time on the water beacuse then you can make a more informed choice on a boat once you know how different boats behave.
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The Blaze Halo would fit the bill. Only trouble would be finding one, they are so good, second hand prices are very high....

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Hi terry i have had a vareo for the last five years and never had a single problem sailing it either downwind or up its just a case of knowing how to get the best out of the boat in all conditions and at your weight you would be fine in one going upwind or down if you go onto the vareo chat page on yahoo groups then with a bit of luck you should find someone close to you club for you to try one out as i know they are not everyones cup of tea but i like mine and the other eight in my club seem to agree. Andy
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Terry - by hard work upwind i meant that it suffers a bit (in my hands anyway) on handicap upwind, if you are racing and dont get much opportunity to fly the kite your likely going to be at the back of the fleet. I used to race on a river and found that if the wind direction didnt allow me to back off and get things flying I was at the back of the fleet, whereas other days when there was more reaching involved I could be at the front. 

I have always considered upwind my best point of sailing in other boats. 

With 16 stone you wont be struggling upwind physically, but you may find folks coming past you!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 11 at 12:37am
Terry... Look at a K1.

They are new on the market so you won't find any second hand ( may be ex demo?) but they have a keel, but they are a single handed dinghy sized keel boat. This should give you the stability you are after and the comfort for your size. Launch and recovery seems simple enough from what I have seen at BSC.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 11 at 9:37am
Blaze would be my suggestion, start with the normal rig, then move onto the Halo rig.  The Blaze is much more forgiving than a Laser or Supernova, you get's lots of time to sort things out with the wings and sealed rig making it very much easier to sail than it may appear at first....yes it's a drag in light winds, but frankly, for the larger chap, IMO, most things are.... a Finn would also be worth considering, but perhaps a bit of a larger cash outlay to start out and a heavier beast to manouver on shore.
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