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Poll Question: The Alternate Voting System how will you vote
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    Posted: 03 May 11 at 9:43pm
45% Beer 
40% Wine
15% creme de menthe

With the above results:
If you think Beer should always win vote No.
If you think the second choice of the Creme de Menthe drinkers is more important than the drink with the most votes, then vote Yes.

So vote yes if you want to be governed by the second choice of people with no taste!
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By voting yes you are devaluing minor party votes. What you are saying is if you were to vote Green or Raving Loonie is you have given the wrong answer so try again until you vote for one of the big parties. So no better than FPTP.
 
Your first choice minority party will always be eliminated. The fairest system of representation would be PR but that will always mean a hung parliament.
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Wouldn't a hung parliament that is representative be better than the current one?  It's a shame we haven't got an AV referendum on voting systems.  As we haven't, I am voting voting for AV so we can tell politicians with our first choices what we actually want (how significant is the UKIP vote, for example).  May be this will show them we need PR or lead to people going back to the two main parties - either would be better than all the wasted votes I've had in my lifetime.

If you are not an FPTP fan you might like this video 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHuiDD_oTk
 
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Haven't we sailed under AV (or maybe PR) since we dropped the 0.75 score for first?  People can win a whole championship without a single first place!  

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Originally posted by mike10626

Wouldn't a hung parliament that is representative be better than the current one?  It's a shame we haven't got an AV referendum on voting systems.  


Don't confuse the referendum with an election. Plenty of Labour MPs dont want AV. The referendum is about which is the most suitable voting system.

Originally posted by mike10626

Haven't we sailed under AV (or maybe PR) since we dropped the 0.75 score for first?  People can win a whole championship without a single first place!  

Not really. 
An AV analogy would be where the last boat in each race is not allowed to race in the next race and the crew join their next favourite boat, until there is only one boat left. 
This would have to be a class where having more crew makes you go faster (at this point the analogy starts to break down).
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I think one of the mistakes that's been made is reffering to it as "AV". One of the alternative names, "Instant Runoff", is far better- and describes much more neatly what it is- a runoff election that only requires one visit to the polling station.
There's been a lot of lies and disinformation- from both sides- but I reckon the "No" camapign shades the "yes" for being uttter scum.
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Originally posted by JohnW

Originally posted by mike10626

Wouldn't a hung parliament that is representative be better than the current one?  It's a shame we haven't got an AV referendum on voting systems.  


Don't confuse the referendum with an election. Plenty of Labour MPs dont want AV. The referendum is about which is the most suitable voting system.

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Haven't we sailed under AV (or maybe PR) since we dropped the 0.75 score for first?  People can win a whole championship without a single first place!  

Not really. 
An AV analogy would be where the last boat in each race is not allowed to race in the next race and the crew join their next favourite boat, until there is only one boat left. 
This would have to be a class where having more crew makes you go faster (at this point the analogy starts to break down).

I can assure you I'm not confusing this with an election.  The second referendum we have ever had in England and the BBC relegate it to a "youth" debate on BBC 3 !!!?  Half the Labour MP's don't like AV for the same reason Tory MP's don't - they may have to go out to talk to their electorate in previously safe seats.  It's a shame, as it was originally a compromise proposal to keep the Labour party together on the issue of voting systems.   If they hadn't come up with it we may be voting on a proportional system now.
 
Yes, most sporting analogies to election systems fall down fairly quickly.  Do we want to be governed on the same basis as a horse race?  Your idea might make an interesting spectacle for the Olympics!
 
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There should have been a button on the poll for "I've still not got a clue, my vote will just be a stab in the dark as both the Yes and No blurb has been completely negative and made me want to vote for the "Benign Dictator" option.
 
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TBH - I don't care if it is FPTP, AV, PR, or whatever.
Make voting compulsory and accept that the result is the word of the people rather than the word of those who could be bothered. 
Majority of elections in this country (and plenty of others)  are won by the apathy vote.
 
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Or even RIGHT...

Trouble is, thousands have died so that we can have people who actually care representing us, too, and neither of the options will really change who we have the option of voting for. Better would be a "none of the above" space on the ballot paper and then making voting compulsory.
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