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    Posted: 13 Oct 10 at 2:29pm
I rather like the idea of doing this 18' Skiff syle, 3 rigs, 1 boat, but a whole lot cheaper. Does the smallest sail fit on the 8.4 mast? As GRF says, windsurfers have always done it this way, so why not a dinghy? OK, so it costs more (I'm sure RS are doing some sort of deal) but sailing a boat like this was never going to be a cheap way into sailing anyway.
 
Lets face it, even the Lightning has a storm sail, which you are allowed to change down to if the weather turns nasty - at the Nationals several were lent out to less able helms to allow them to carry on racing by people who weren't going to use them. If an old fashioned boat like that can do it, why not a 100?
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well I like the idea of having a third main sail size and it dosen't really change the logic of the situation. 
 
In light winds (F1/2) the 10.2 will be quickest, by about 10-12 knots the 8.4 and 10.2 are probably similar in speed, and I am guessing that for some lighter sailors the 7.4 will be easier and quicker as the wind increases further. 
 
I will think about getting the 7.4 for those F5/6 days (as I am not a windsurfer).
 
I agree with TT that we don't want too formal weight equalisation.
 
The analogy is to the laser radial, full rig and phantom - different characteristics to suit different sailors on different days
 
I dont think that having three of anything is too complex to cope with.
 
And I havent had to mention PYs Smile
 
 


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When there is talk of cheque book sailing because of the need to swap rigs, it is just worth pointing out that in the case of the 100 that perhaps gives the wrong impression. 

Each boat comes with a full mast including the stump needed for the 10.2. When buying the boat you could (can?) have a second sail at half price. Therefore to get a full set of 'rigs' for your weight range is only about half the cost of a new sail. On an £8-9k boat package that seems a pretty cost effective solution.

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I agree with you Peaky that the use of the various rigs as suggested in your post is un savoury,but the rules are at opens that you declare your rig size at the begaining of the event & thats the one that you are using for the entire event.
 
I have the 10.2 & the 8.4 & at my weight I would use the 10.2 as the standard & the 8.4 on the sea,I think it would be rare for me to use the 8.4 on the inland venues.
 
I do however think that over time the rig choice for the travelers will be the 10.2 but only because the rig is so depowerable & as such we will become like the 300`s where the A rig is rarely if ever used in events & everybody uses the B rig.
 
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Originally posted by Peaky

Frustrating when that happens isn't it?!
Not having a dig, but if the suggestion is to 'change gears' by altering rig with the wind strength then that requires at least two rigs. To my mind the Laser, Radial and 4.7 model is the one to copy and I believe that is the intention. But it is undermined if people start swapping rigs mid series without declaring to gain advantage and if results don't make clear which rig was used.
What I think I find unsavoury is the thought of either big fellas using the baby rig in a gale or kids using the 10.2 in a drifter. It seems like overly competitive, unsporting conduct. It happens in Lasers too and seems against the spirit of the game to me.

Seems entirely logical to me, then we've been doing it since year one.

Too much wind change down and carry on racing rather than have to retire.

Except for big fellas of course, they should only be allowed the one big sail, lightweights get to use all three - simples.

As for club racing, as I've forgotten a) the bad time I had last week and b) the name of the boat builder I wanted to build my new steed, I shall buy another rig and use whichever I feel appropriate to the day, given it's all about keeping me entertained rather than worrying about results, series prizes etc, something I've long since given up worrying about, they're a vexation to the spirit. I reckon over 15kts and that 7.4 will be faster at all points of sailing for me, if comparisons with racing sailboards are anything to go by.


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Frustrating when that happens isn't it?!
Not having a dig, but if the suggestion is to 'change gears' by altering rig with the wind strength then that requires at least two rigs. To my mind the Laser, Radial and 4.7 model is the one to copy and I believe that is the intention. But it is undermined if people start swapping rigs mid series without declaring to gain advantage and if results don't make clear which rig was used.
What I think I find unsavoury is the thought of either big fellas using the baby rig in a gale or kids using the 10.2 in a drifter. It seems like overly competitive, unsporting conduct. It happens in Lasers too and seems against the spirit of the game to me.
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Heavy guys: just wait for that 13 m2 sail for F1 conditions!

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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Think I could make use of that when it's breezy, depends on the course of course.

I think you probably could Graeme, sub 70kg.... this'll be a weapon with that lovely big kite to scream downhill.  Although I doubt I'm in the target weight zone for one, even if it were really windy!!!





Ha another thing has just occurred to me, it'll need another PY will it not? A la laser Radial?

I'm thinking 1046 or thereabouts Wink
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In some ways I agree, but if it ends up that you need multiple rigs to be competitive is that not cheque book sailing? It is also very confusing as to whether it is then three classes with three PYs, or one class with a single PY that should end up much lower as the rig is optimised to the conditions, sailboard style
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Actually it is currently a one class choose your weapon for each event class. 

How it develops is very interesting. If you are a lightweight going to an event with strong wind forecast register with a 7.4, if light winds take the 8.4. Big guy in 12-15knot plus use the 8.4, if brilliant helm or light wind take the big one.

Actually should suit everyone as the hull is so light and easily driven, so make your choice pre event and live with it.

In motor racing you chose your gear ratios for the circuit/hill and your all up weight. I admit that it is more predictable than the wind, but principle is reasonable.

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