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    Posted: 08 Oct 10 at 10:24am
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by timg

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Coor blimey GRF, that's incorrect on a few levels....


How can it be incorrect? It's my considered opinion, not presented as fact, it's an opinion, your job as fanboy(s) is to change it.

You wont, cos I'll insist you get your 50kg woman to launch it into the teeth of a fresh force five breeze off our beach.

It won't happen, you'll end up with a broke boat, she'll be in her rightful place getting Maytagged.
 
Your opinion can be misunderstood as fact.....how is anyone supposed to know that you may not know what you are talking about? (on certain matters)
 
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Originally posted by timg

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Your opinion can be misunderstood as fact.....how is anyone supposed to know that you may not know what you are talking about? (on certain matters)
 
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Au contraire..

1) I am that total irritant to the brand fan warrior, I have no allegiances.
2) I am a full RRP no deals paying customer
3) Of light build and early intermediate skill level.


So that opinion is fact to me, what is fact to you is that derived from being a good sailor who's sailed it all year, clearly has some sort of 'insider' Industry deal or wouldn't have managed to turn up at a Nationals I've paid no end to be at and get a ride.

Jimbo, I suspect (but dont know) must have some similar allegiances or he wouldn't have been able to jump the queue either, so opinion wise....

I have the added bonus of impartiality and that opinion, like it or not, is fact to me.
And us buyers have to use the thing in all weathers, not sunny warm climes wearing our bikinis.

Irritating innit..?


Edited by G.R.F. - 08 Oct 10 at 10:48am
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Graham,
 
I have no "industry" deal or connections other than being a paying customer, who is able to arrange demo's in boats, just like any other customer / prospective customer.
 
I was mearly pointing out what appeared to factual comments from your post, where incorrect.
 
That's all.
 
I will be sailing this winter, like I have done all my life....although I probably wont be in a bikini.
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Well your both Inlandwatersailingpussylardboys

is all I can add to that then. Wink

So in all probability a 'thinking' person as a lot of forum readers tend to be, might make their own mind up along those lines.

And there I was thinking that post was a carefully measured judgement and even labled "As I see it"

Where it so easily could have been

RS100 = Fast light modern attractive 21st century sailing product for all levels and rider weights

D1 = Ugly warmed over last century Finn rework suitable for lake sailing Krauts and Eyties only.




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I blame the dagger board and rudder blade issue as key to my failure to effectively deal with the MPS.

This Sunday past, even our local sailing 'Men of Kent' Heroes took three try and spit back up the beach attempts to launch, ok it was a spot onshore and in a Southerly the wind lifts up and over, but it took three people to eventually get them clear of the break, simply because of the time it took to insert the plate in what was a windward launch off the beach.

Windsurfers solved this slot flusher issue years ago, it's time the dinghy business got to grips with it, RS100's are built at cobra, they have the technology, it's two strips of rubber tube that kiss each other and the plate passes between them.

But anyway I digress and the questioner probably doesn't mind and or sails where there are no underwater obstructions, like the D1 designer. 
The RS however is designed to cope with areas where there are shallows, so more suitable for folk who sail in areas like that. The obvious logic of which must apply to the traveller who never knows where he's going to end up sailing and does it frequently on water unfamiliar to him.
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Tim /James thak you for your messages I have loads to think about now

I will try to call you both this weekend
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Wow I never realised how complicated choosing a boat can be!
 
Me I prefer the easy aproach:
 
1) Read all the test reviews on the D1 - all good it seems.
 
2) Phone up Rodney at Sountouched who takes my Finn in PX.
 
3) Picks up D1, and frankly, its everything the reviews said i.e. awesome!
 
Is the RS100 better?  Well if it is it must be some boat, cos every time I sail the D1 I come back grinning from ear to ear. 
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Originally posted by turnturtle

 

these other factors include: 

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- resale value
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I think the RS100 ticks all the boxes above, and by saying that I am not saying the D-One does not, but simply the fact that the RS100 has been around half as long and sold twice as many would suggest to me what the 'safer option' is, especially for a UK sailor.  That said, if you have intentions to travel around Europe specifically Italy, then the D-One seems to have laid on an impressive line of glamour venues in its short history to date.




When thinking long term resale values and how the class is going to develop in the future, it could be worth looking at the Musto Skiff and RS700.

From an outsiders view (an Asymetric Canoe sailor) it would appear - RS700 launched with lots of PR and advertising from RS, initially sold more boats and had bigger open/nationals turnouts than the Musto. However, nearly ten years on, the Musto has grown to be a truly international class, the sailors realised it is the true thorough bred of the two, and generally the majority of better sailors moved to the Skiff. Now the Musto has the bigger turnouts 70 boats vs 34(?), plus has anyone ever seen a cheap Musto for sale - less than £4.5k? I haven't, but there have been loads of 700's advertised for less than £3k.

Alternativly, if you want a hiking boat with a 'mans' kite, that's a bit more challenging, there's alway the canoe to look at... Wink
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Thank you for your messages.  I have arranged to see a second hand RS100 later this week and will hopefully get to sail her too.  The D-One looks a like a fantastic dinghy however after some consideration I think the RS100 might suit me better and this will be my first option.
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TT, i seem to remeber Charlie getting to grips with your Musto with his first effort!!!  I refused to try as i would of made a prick of my self!!!! LOL
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