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    Posted: 21 Sep 10 at 8:40am
I don't think they mean that it gets wrapped rpund the joint at the front, but rather farther back.  In my experience (laugh!) it only happens if you have loads (much more than needed) of rope danlging at the time of launch - so with practice it just isn't an issue.  By the way, have you managed the variation where the dangly stuff actually goes over the top of the end of the head banger - now that one is fun!

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Struggling to visualise it but, working the basis that I must be right and it is just your ability to speak english that is limiting communication try this fix...
 
Take the tiller extension off the top of the tiller as well as the whole fitting that the tiller extension connects to.  Re-attach the extension to the tiller using a tube that inserts into end of both the tiller and the tiller extension.  Now there are no bits that stick out that the rope can catch on and wrap itself around.
 
A bit like this (if the photo up-load works).
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Ah did he beat you then aswell??
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Originally posted by JMB1

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So it is one of the two long dangly bits of string hanging down from the head banging thing that twist around the end of the sticky out bit of stick that is fixed to the steering blade rather than the wiggly bit?  Is it wrapping around the very front end of the sticky out bit just in front of the wiggle stick?
 
If that is right the fix is actually really simple...

O.K. conceptually I can see you struggle like me..

It's all at the flat bit at the back not the pointy front bit.

They've hung a load of rope off the head banger, it does wrap itself round the bit you wiggle to make it go in different directions, oh and if it's feeling really mean it wraps itself round both bits, the wiggle and the prod thing., and then, it likes to power itself right up, so you are nowhere near it, having chucked it all away to scramble up the side, then you sit up there looking at it. If you try to go near it, to attempt to untangle it, the whole thing tips itself on its side, this then propels you into some other sticky up bit designed to maximise pain and bleeding.

Now it only does this when it knows you need to do something, like change direction, get out of the way of a wave, scratch your nose, adjust your neckerchief, bare your buttocks to some passing muppets, take a sip of coffee.. whatever, only when it's most inconvenient.

I have a name for it, I call it being Nickpetered, he's getting me back for all those years ago when as a young man he foolishly tried to race against me windsurfing.


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by JMB1

Ever tried pre-gybing the wiggle stick thing - swing it round forwards so it points at the leeward shroud before the gybe...

Yep, do that, learned that early on, but it's not necessarily the wiggle bit it gets wrapped round, it's the main sticky out bit the wiggle thing is attached to.

First time out on sunday, straight off the beach, plate down, turn round rope wrapped round the lot, really gusty offshore wind, I was lucky not to swim. It has all the elasto fixes, it's just when you're buggering about with lots of mainsheet loose. Tbh it doesn't happen so much in the gybes these days, it's just at other times if your concentration lapses.

Best thing to do is keep the wiggle thing pointed forward, that way the main can't wrap around the other bit.
So it is one of the two long dangly bits of string hanging down from the head banging thing that twist around the end of the sticky out bit of stick that is fixed to the steering blade rather than the wiggly bit?  Is it wrapping around the very front end of the sticky out bit just in front of the wiggle stick?
 
If that is right the fix is actually really simple...
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So do you know yet what the format is for the RS inlands for the 100?

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Originally posted by G.R.F.


Originally posted by JMB1


Ever tried pre-gybing the wiggle stick thing - swing it round forwards so it points at the leeward shroud before the gybe...

Yep, do that, learned that early on, but it's not necessarily the wiggle bit it gets wrapped round, it's the main sticky out bit the wiggle thing is attached to.
First time out on sunday, straight off the beach, plate down, turn round rope wrapped round the lot, really gusty offshore wind, I was lucky not to swim. It has all the elasto fixes, it's just when you're buggering about with lots of mainsheet loose. Tbh it doesn't happen so much in the gybes these days, it's just at other times if your concentration lapses.
Best thing to do is keep the wiggle thing pointed forward, that way the main can't wrap around the other bit.


I get it everytime I launch but very rarely on the water. Got it in the launching harbour at Parkstone and couldn't steer properly or sheet out, which wasn't nice ! I think on the water I always try to keep hold of the end of the extension no matter how pear-shaped things are going (its like a 'sucky' for moments of panic !). Tried Nick's elastic trick but didnt notice any significant difference other than the elastic broke and got tangled into the mainsheet block ! Might redo with some heavier elastic.

Think I may have found a great solution for the kits sheet tidies - will post on RS100 sailing as soon as I have taken some photos and tested better (uses two bobbles fixed with shockcord and spaced just far enough apart to allow the sheet to be retained but releases easily when hoisting).

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Originally posted by JMB1

Ever tried pre-gybing the wiggle stick thing - swing it round forwards so it points at the leeward shroud before the gybe...

Yep, do that, learned that early on, but it's not necessarily the wiggle bit it gets wrapped round, it's the main sticky out bit the wiggle thing is attached to.

First time out on sunday, straight off the beach, plate down, turn round rope wrapped round the lot, really gusty offshore wind, I was lucky not to swim. It has all the elasto fixes, it's just when you're buggering about with lots of mainsheet loose. Tbh it doesn't happen so much in the gybes these days, it's just at other times if your concentration lapses.

Best thing to do is keep the wiggle thing pointed forward, that way the main can't wrap around the other bit.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

well folks... a cacophony of activity from outside the UK... 










Never many video's of these things going upwind - like all kited single-handers they only ever seem to have the wind coming over the stern quarter!
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by ChrisC

Hi Graeme,

Upwind I don't think your centre mainsheet set up is doing you any favours here.

My advice would be to go back to the original set up and give sheeting-from-the-boom a try - you will find it is very comfortable and enables very subtle continuous trimming allowing you to keep the boat on the sweet spot.

For me this works really well and I don't use the ratchet (not needed because sheet load is so low) or the cleat. I leave the main cleated in the downwind position and simply let it run out and let go at the bear away.

Any advice on gybing much appreciated as I occasionally resorted to dropping and tacking around on that long race on the Sunday.

Cheers

Chris

Done the mainsheet, it's back where it's started. But with that will come failed gybes, most of which occur when the stick gets engaged with the rear mainsheet as the boom comes across which I tend to activate manually, no idea how it's supposed to happen, but in the run up to a gybe in wind, first I look for a wave a la windsurf, then I soak, grab opposite spinnaker, nudge the helm enough to grab the boom and force it over whilst running up the side carrying the spinnaker sheet and reverse locking if it's breezy.
The way I frig around with the wiggle stick gets me into trouble.

 I'd love to have the smoothness of action that guy they showed us in the video has holding it behind his back as he goes up the new side, looked very smooth. My gybes are always clumsy affairs, but they nowadays succeed more than they fail simply because they always used to fail and I've practised them and removing the rear sheeting helped my crap technique.

Oh and  I don't come 'up' on the new side anything like as high as all those boats who were falling over did, so it's a soak to soak gybe then harden up once the spinnaker is full. I think being a light weight you have to respect the power of the kite on either side more than one of greater bulk is able to.
Ever tried pre-gybing the wiggle stick thing - swing it round forwards so it points at the leeward shroud before the gybe...
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