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Barty ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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Class association website is http://www.miracledinghy.org If you get a wooden one make sure you turn it over and check the floor as they are rot boxes when left. Also if you get the circlular mast and boom you will need spreaders (if they aren't fitted) as the mast bend is uncontrollable and pretty wild. |
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debsav ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Thanks for all the replies! I had started off leaning towards a Miracle and am now thinking that's the one for me. The only reason I'd mentioned the Xenon was because I can hire one to try out at my local sailing centre. I'm fairly strong so it looks like I'll be able to manage the Miracle single-handed. I haven't ever raced or used a spinnaker but who knows.....I'll just have to start enlisting crew!
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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I concur the Miracle is a delightful boat and I would have
thought quite manageable single handed. The Xenon is altogether a bigger boat and I suspect not as sweet to handle and just too heavy to lug up a beach or steep ramp single handed. |
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Barty ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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I had a mirror which got dropped and written off so I went for a miracle as a replacement for me and my 4 and 7 year old sons. I had to start again pretty much but with some thought you can set it up for single handed sailing. I have just done a week regatta with my 4 year old who can just about pull the jib in but i uncleated and flew the spinny basically single handed. Centre main, continuous jib sheet, dual controls and a flyaway pole and your sorted. Excellent boats for single handed or crewed, easy to sail. Xenon is big and heavy, no really made for single handed but does have zip reefing on the main. Miracle i would say. Dave Butler of Butler boats is very helpful and builds tbe FRP boats which are sweet! |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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I was asked this question before, and the Miracle was about the only boat I could think of to recommend for both singlehanding and two-up. If you are light, you would be underpowered for racing but as that's not an issue, no problem, the boat is still manageable singlehanded, and, importantly, light when ashore. For two-up, it is surprisingly roomy. Main problem is finding a glassfibre one (they exist) if you're not into painting and varnishing. |
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bferry ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 09 Location: Malta Online Status: Offline Posts: 190 |
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I own a Miracle and RS Vareo. Although my wife and I regularly sailed the Miracle together I mostly sailed it single handed. Its a manageable boat but I guess it depends on your weight and agility. If you are used to sailing a Mirror, the Miracle would be a lovely boat to step up to. The mainsail can be adapted for reefing and you can remove the jib if you want to reduce sail area, although this will affect pointing ability upwind. The jib may be a bit of a handful to handle without crew, whilst you will definitely not be able to use the spinnaker. The cockpit is relatively dry, unlike the low sitting Byte and is spacious enough to take a couple of small children and/or picnic baskets…etc for cruising in light winds. It is a stable boat, and righting after a capsize is not too hard. It is a light boat to launch but will require regular maintenance considering its made of wood. There are many of these boats on the second hand market selling from 300pounds upwards. I decided to go for a single handed boat like the Vareo since it is easier to manage single handed and has the benefit of a genniker to make things more interesting. It can also accommodate a crew thanks to its large cockpit. Again, weight should be an important factor in choosing the right boat. This also depends on the wind conditions you are planning to sail in. With regards to the Xenon, I'm not that familiar with the boat, but have sailed a Topper Topaz Uno Plus regularly. If I'm not mistaken these boats have a plastic rotomolded hull which is very low maintenance and should have a long lifespan. The Xenon will be more expensive that the Miracle and may be more suited to a two person crew due to the sail area.
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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if your thinking singlehander, british moths, comets and lightnings are all good boats in their diferent ways.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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There really aren't any boats that work well singlehanded and two handed... Solos and Bytes are choices amongst the more mature ladies at my club. I tend towards recoommending the Bytes since because it is much shallower its easier to get in post capsize: the Solo seems to demand a bit more upper body strength.
The Xenon is an awfully big lump to haul around the dinghy park singlehanded... |
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debsav ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Jul 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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I'm returning to sailing after several decades. I sailed a Mirror in my teens and have recently been refreshing my skills on a Pico at the local sailing centre. I would like to buy a boat that I could either sail on my own or with my partner. I'm not interested in racing. Have been thinking about a Miracle and will hire a Xenon to see what that's like. Any ideas?
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