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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Colin, My tuppence worth. The Projection is a brilliant boat that despite its delicate looks performs best in a breeze - I think F-Word will agree with me that with exceptions it's almost impossible to sail to its handicap in light winds (5-12knots). There's no point in comparing it to a quarter-tonner, most of which are far heavier and designed for displacement sailing. In my opinion its achilles heel is that it is neither quite a sportsboat nor is it a 'yacht' to most people - we've had endless problems trying to persuade owners of larger boats that we should be sailing with them and not trying to do battle with Melges, Corks and other open sportsboats that behave very differently.. However, if you're looking for an accomplished performer that's loads of fun and in stronger winds will leave many larger boats standing then it's the boat for you... Most Projections if not all will come with a trailer, maybe 11k upwards depending on condition? With a trailer and kit it clocks in at nearly 2 tonnes - that's more than the average estate will cope with. Check manufacturer's towing guides, it's not the power, it's whether or not you will be able to stop if you need to... Chic |
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Cmac ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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Chic Many thanks for your advice and insight here. I have not seen many around and don't know of any racing on the west of Scotland. I'd be interested in taking a close look at one or trying to hitch a ride before jumping in to buy. I have a UFO 27 at the moment but don't use the accommodation as we never cruise. Really enjoying the local racing though and my crew are keen to do more and go to a few regattas around the place. Hence the idea that I'll sell the UFO and get a wee sporty boat that I can park at home over the winter. I can't work out from the sparce info I can find on the web whether she has a lifting keel or if it is fixed. Can you enlighten me? Any idea how many were built? What points / defects / damage should I look for on the typical boat.
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Colin, You haven't seen many because there aren't many! About 25-30 were built (no-one has ever managed to come up with an exact figure) of which there may be less than 20 still in the UK. You should persevere with the 762 thread - if you go back to the early days you'll probably find many answers to the questions you have been asking, but in brief it has a fixed keel, quite deep for a small boat (about 1.7m draft) and an average P762 probably weighs about 1340kg. It's a safe, easy to sail boat with a roomy cockpit and few bad habits - making it go fast is another thing though, but I can guarantee that you'll have a lot of fun trying. As I've implied it is 'sporty' rather than a 'sports' boat, but it planes readily and safely in 20knots of breeze giving you speeds of 10-12 knots downwind without problem. As far as issues go there aren't many - bearing in mind it's a racing boat most have been pushed, so I would check for cracks around the keel/ hull, bulkheads and chainplates. Rarely, some have had chainplates that gave way, dropping the mast without warning, but I'm sure that most (like mine) have had these replaced with stronger ones... Again, this is all recorded in the P762 thread along with history of many individual boats. My advice would be to hire the services of a marine surveyor to check out any boat (Projection or not) you intend to buy. |
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Cmac ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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Chic Many thanks again you are a mine of information! I will keep on reading through the posts to glean as much info as possible. There doesn't appear to be many comparable boats out there. As you say she is not as radical as a full on sports boat but still very quick and fun to sail. Where I sail - upper end of the Clyde it is mainly flat water so I would suspect the P762 will enjoy those conditions. I would expect that any problem chainplates would have shown themselves by now and will either have been sorted or there will be pretty obvious movement to be seen on the boat. I'll keep that one in mind and also the hull / keel join. I agree with your advice on using a surveyor. Many thanks again - anyone want to buy a UFO 27? Colin |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Colin, There are only two P762s in Scotland - both at Port Edgar outside Edinburgh on the Forth, Hobbes(our boat) and Pink Gin. If you'd like to go for a sail sometime get in touch. There are a few boats that are similar but have big differences -The J80, with a larger main and smaller jib plus asymmetric spinnaker is more of a 'true' sportsboat. The Platu 25 looks the most similar but was designed (and really quick) for light wind sailing and is apparently a pig in strong winds! Lastly the Hunter 707 - these are less sophisticated, smaller at 23' and probably pretty uncomfortable even for camping, but they are good all-rounders and great value at 5-6k. Some are pretty beaten up and you need to do research before buying. There's an expanding fleet on the Forth. |
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F Word ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 08 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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Folks Just checked out the priory after Tarbert! Chic will vouch it was humiliating - we sailed against 20 big boats in the light getting rolled all week on the beat by x's, 1 tonners the lot! With the class 1 & 2's shadowing us on the runs. I can honestly say neither PJ sailed badly at all but we were down the pan! (they put us in wrong class) Great racing between the PJ's though - awesome. Hobbes is higher handicapped and lighter which showed, we were usually chasing just behind and when we won it was pipping Hobbes on corrected. Apart from once when we beat them on the water but were canned for OCS!! Good week though! Back to the Mersey soon and a mate of mine has just bought a Benneteau 25 Plateau. How do they compare with PJ??
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Yes, I'll vouch for that! Having said that we had a great time... Like F-Word don't think either of us sailed badly at all apart from a couple of hideous mistakes that I knew we were making at the time that cost us dearly. However, I don't think it would have made the slightest difference which class we'd been in - in light winds we've always found it impossible to sail to our handicap. I would point out that the class five minutes behind us had often caught up by the end of a race. I gave up looking at results and just sailed. The Platu is a light-wind beast. There was one here once, well-sailed and in light winds it was always a leg ahead (would have cleaned up at Tarbert this year), but in strong winds we often left it miles behind, often on its side. It is, according to one of our crew who used to crew on the Platu, a scary boat in a serious breeze. |
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DOUGk911 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 06 Location: Blyth , Northumberland Online Status: Offline Posts: 65 |
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I'm no longer a Projection owner I know , but still love the boat . There was a Ben 25 left our club last weekend for somewhere south , No Limit I think , we sailed a lot against her , She was well sailed , we were v close overall once I renewed the sails , they do look a true handfull in a blow ! We found we could be very competitive in very light winds , weight fwd etc .. the boat would drift around more quickly than most , we used the kite at times when it looked like it shouldn't work but it did .. I hope Filthy is giving the Welsh boys some fun ! I'm now sailing a big H boat , H323 , which I like , might get 10 knots one day ! |
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chic ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 20 Dec 06 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Hi Doug, in very light winds it's a different matter. It's the 3-12knots that
we don't make much impression, exactly the wind range that the Platu excels in. We have East Coast week coming up on 2nd - 5th July but really struggling for crew, most of whom used up their holiday allowance for the west coast events we did. Anyone fancy a sail?? |
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F Word ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 08 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 35 |
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Aha Just been talking to an old mate of mine whom prompted me to ask about the Platu. He lives in Wirral and he has just picked his Platu up - No Limit! The Thankster as we call him is a bit of a rock star (maybe a 70's one) so he should do well in her. The ratings are close but if its true what you say then its the weather that makes the diffrence. I agree with Doug though in the light we have historically done ok. Boat I crewed on Chia Chia overtook us at Tarbert as did the new Corby Epoxy 25. Which one may expect. What peeved us was that Impala and Sig 33 (none one design so a DT33) that caught and stripped us despite a headstart of 5 mins. BUT that only happened on one day and the breeze was flukey. Chia Chia is so so quick and has just had a new keel, also got 6ft boatlength. SHe cost 200k to build in 1982 and has an age handicap from the Pope Most of us PJ folks are probably better sailors than IRC results give us credit for (not meaning to sound an ass here). How would you do with your crew in an X302 do you think??
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