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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Mister Nick, at 120kg you and your Dad are bang on the profile of 3000 sailors. Check out our website (seee below) and arrange a demo sail before you buy anything else. If you happen to be able to get to Grafham this weekend it's our Nationals and you could get the full low-down there, and probably a demo as well if you give a bit of notice. Hector fails to say that he's a brilliant hlemsman who would do well in any class. Most father/son combos would get blown into the weeds in the 29er class by loads of highly-coached juniors who largely dominate the class. The standard in the 3000 class is appreciably lower, and people are very friendly and helpful, without the retinue of non-sailing parents who cater for every new-sail whim of their offspring. |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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There's a 29er for sale at my club that was on the for sale board for a LONG time and is now gathering moss on the beach; no-one sails them on our lake and the yoof were put off by the competition. A real shame as they're a fantastic little boat. So nearly bought one once........ but you need a reliable crew. The V3k can be sailed with a novice for a crew or without a crew at all. A 2nd hand 4000 can be got in good nick for under £2000; they're heavy and look a bit dated somehow, also "a bit" hard to sail to handicap - but good fun.
PS: what became of Hector's Vortex?!
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Hector ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Location: Otley, Yorkshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 750 |
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I'm quite a bit (ahem) over 40, and sail a 29er with my 16 and 18 yr old daughters. I weigh over 75Kg, and girls are approx 55 and 60 kg. We're very competitive (3rd and 4th at two recent inlands) - winning some races. The youth thing is just the result of the RYA /ISAF boat selection, together with the fact it's just so desireable to youths! There are quite a few parent / sibling or both over 30 combos but only a few do major events. I'd always agree re 'try one' - for any boat. But don't be put off the 29er if you find it challenging on first sail - if it was easy, it would soon get boring. For instance, wo teens had a try in mine a few weeks ago - they managed ok for a while, but once they'd capsized a few times and got tired, they then capsized about 20 times in 30 minutes. They were back for more a week later and bought one. Last time they sailed, just one capsize - and grins! And yes, its a 'stand up' in boat. Also ideally, you should helm - dad on wire. By all means try a 4000 as well - no comparison in my mind. And the second hand value of decent 29ers just never drops so tell your dad he won't lose any money! I actually got more than I paid for bothe 29ers I've previously bought then sold! And finally, the through flow of youths means there's always lots of good cheap secondhand sails and so on. I recently got a set of sails used 4 times and absolutely immaculate, for less than half retail.
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29er 661 (with my daughters / nephew) 49er 688 (with Phil P) RS200 968 Vortex (occasionally) Laser 2049XX |
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Biglad ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
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Re are there 4000's about, a few for sale on the class association website, also on or two in the classified on this website, you can pick a boat up relatively cheaply, and as you grow you'll be able to stay with the boat, weight equalisation means crews from 120kg to 170kg are competitive, seems like an ideal boat for you at present, but i'm biased, |
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A Seabadger ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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No trapeze but an RS200.
You are a good weight for it, competitive fleet. Great fun. |
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I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every moment of it.
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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I wished my sons would believe me if I told them that! Still, I've got the best chance yet of going to the Olympics in 2012, with it being in Weymouth |
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Mister Nick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 389 |
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Ooooh, I forgot about Laser 4000's. They look really good! Are there many about at the moment? |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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The 29er is a lovely boat - it doesn't carry weight too
well though and at 75kg (me) and 50kg (son) I spent a lot of time crouched in the bottom to stop it heeling over on top of me. Got to stand up I guess; not really a sit down sort of boat. It's not specifically a youth boat though, dad son pairs do sail it .. but they have to race it against super fit RYA trained teenagers, which can be a bit daunting. I ended up with a Vandercraft V3000 which is a bit sparkier than the slightly overweight Laser 3000 it's based on, but still easy to sail. A good number of the circuit racers are dad / son pairs too. My kids have grown up now, so short of a crew .... but it's single handable too!! If you're pretty good and confident as well, laser 4000s are amazing value at the moment. Adjustable racks and weight equalisation mean at 120kg all up you should be OK ( though dragging a heavy boat up teh slipway with extra lead weights in it can be a pain ). |
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Mister Nick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 389 |
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I did consider a 29er, but isn't it intended to be a youth boat? There must be a reason why more 40 year old fathers and 14 year old sons don't sail them together? Edited by Mister Nick |
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gerunamo=] ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94 |
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29er? i say that as it then leads you on to the option of sailing one competitively when you are readya nd such like. you will also get all you are asking for a trapeze, assymetric spinnaker and you will be around the right weight, if not on the larger side. i would however, advise a trail sail first as they are not always to everyones expectations as realistically they are tippy, when launching and going slowly( before starts and such like) and take a lot of getting used to. if you want to talk about it more pm me tom
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