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    Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:09pm
Oh and just a last point bout the Alto, you do at least have the choice,
many's the time having to heat to high an angle has under laid the mark and
the last few hundred yards been saved by swinging that pole and dead
running, whilst the opponent had the joy of two more gybes in the same
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Yep I know that, I meant VMG is that which should be apparent from all this
discussion. You´ve got to get faster (than everyone else) to the mark. How
you do it is another problem...
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Yep VMG  iz the buzzzz word at the mo'


Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have
pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto...



Er Jim far be it from me to drag you into the twentyfirst century, but VMG
ceased being a 'buzz' word in the nineties..

I realise things are slow to permeate the dark depths of the fatherland,
even the sad news of the demise of the 59er never quite made it that far..

But anyway. VMG is done, everyone knows what it is and how it works
there are even computer programmes that work it out for you attached to
GPS, gone are the days when instinct prevailed..

Instinct I might add honed in windsurfing, where banging the downwind
corners came from.

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I'm away at the moment, but have done some polar plots for the
RS100. You can use these to determine downwind angles for best
VMG. Although the hull drag data is modified from a 29er it looks
about right, but obviously it's all just approximate! I will post some
plots next week when I'm back.   
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Yep VMG  iz the buzzzz word at the mo'

Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto...



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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Jimbo, you sound like
someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to
come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean
play, naturally!!! )


Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of
the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit
that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...

Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from
about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer
tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!


Originally posted by timg

Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one
TT...

Timg



Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers...
finally!!!   

You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on
that one and good to hear we're sharing
ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze,
heating up is the best way forward... simple
power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but
similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good
practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge
base and it still points towards soaking as
the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to
weight ratio than either of the sitty-down
boats.)

Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track!


Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain
(true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and
going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to
the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this
is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you
can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.

did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ?

Are you being rhetorical?
eek! er. - no I don't think I was?  I was just saying (clumsily) that even in foiling moths crap conditions (as TT puts it) can mean that soaking can be successful rather than 'heating it up' (in their case getting on the foils).

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Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Jimbo, you sound like
someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to
come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean
play, naturally!!! )


Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of
the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit
that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...

Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from
about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer
tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!


Originally posted by timg

Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one
TT...

Timg



Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers...
finally!!!   

You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on
that one and good to hear we're sharing
ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze,
heating up is the best way forward... simple
power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but
similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good
practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge
base and it still points towards soaking as
the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to
weight ratio than either of the sitty-down
boats.)

Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track!


Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain
(true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and
going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to
the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this
is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you
can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.

did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ?

Are you being rhetorical?
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Jimbo, you sound like
someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to
come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean
play, naturally!!! )


Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of
the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit
that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...

Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from
about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer
tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!


Originally posted by timg

Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one
TT...

Timg



Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers...
finally!!!   

You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on
that one and good to hear we're sharing
ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze,
heating up is the best way forward... simple
power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but
similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good
practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge
base and it still points towards soaking as
the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to
weight ratio than either of the sitty-down
boats.)

Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track!


Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain
(true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and
going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to
the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this
is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you
can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.

did you see amac win his first two bullets at the moth worlds by soaking ?



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Originally posted by Beardy

This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good
Saxophone?

Why d'ya want to sell it? Lighten up a little. Research shows Diazepam (valium) as a pink tablet forumulation aleviates painful depressive episodes, whereas as a white tablet it has a uplifting effect. Try some, or better still get out on the water more!!!!!!  Needless to say, noone's yet tried a blue tablet forumulation, or have they? Perhaps, for some the World's best uplifting effect!!! . Feeling better now, Beardy?



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This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good
Saxophone?
sorting my life out, one shed at at time
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