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G.R.F.
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Topic: The RS100 Owners Thread Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:09pm |
Oh and just a last point bout the Alto, you do at least have the choice,
many's the time having to heat to high an angle has under laid the mark and
the last few hundred yards been saved by swinging that pole and dead
running, whilst the opponent had the joy of two more gybes in the same
space.
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 5:48pm |
Yep I know that, I meant VMG is that which should be apparent from all this
discussion. You´ve got to get faster (than everyone else) to the mark. How
you do it is another problem...
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 3:56pm |
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Yep VMG iz the buzzzz word at the mo'
Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have
pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto...  |
Er Jim far be it from me to drag you into the twentyfirst century, but VMG
ceased being a 'buzz' word in the nineties..
I realise things are slow to permeate the dark depths of the fatherland,
even the sad news of the demise of the 59er never quite made it that far..
But anyway. VMG is done, everyone knows what it is and how it works
there are even computer programmes that work it out for you attached to
GPS, gone are the days when instinct prevailed..
Instinct I might add honed in windsurfing, where banging the downwind
corners came from.
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 2:29pm |
I'm away at the moment, but have done some polar plots for the
RS100. You can use these to determine downwind angles for best
VMG. Although the hull drag data is modified from a 29er it looks
about right, but obviously it's all just approximate! I will post some
plots next week when I'm back.
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 2:16pm |
Yep VMG iz the buzzzz word at the mo'
Cripes, don't let GRUMPF or oldarn in on this, otherwise we'll have pages and pages of cr*p about the Alto... 
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 1:37pm |
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by asterix
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ?
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eek! er. - no I don't think I was? I was just saying (clumsily) that even in foiling moths crap conditions (as TT puts it) can mean that soaking can be successful rather than 'heating it up' (in their case getting on the foils).
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:45am |
Originally posted by asterix
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
Timg
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets ate the moth worlds by soaking ? |
Are you being rhetorical?
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 8:09am |
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Slippery Jim
Jimbo, you sound like someone left alone in the sandpit and waiting for someone else to come along and either dig a deeper hole or throw sand at you (I mean play, naturally!!! ) |
Absolutely mate, and in fairness RS are doing their best to get the rest of the kids out of the cat-sh1t ridden pit that is unarig sailing before they go blind from the boredom too...
Look forward to that beer at some point... I still owe Grumpf one from about 2 years ago, so the tinterweb beer tally is still growing, it'll be one almighty session when it finally lands!!!
Originally posted by timg
Offwind soaking.....hmmm Jury maybe out on that one TT...
Timg
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Tim- looks like the start of the first meaningful debate for us 1'ers... finally!!!
You and Nick certainly have more boat time than me, can't disagree on that one and good to hear we're sharing ideas!!!! But I'm not in agreement (yet) that in sub planing breeze, heating up is the best way forward... simple power to weight ratio would suggest you should plane quicker, but similarly 10 years of combined sharing/good practice and hard graft is very easy to 'borrow' from the MPS knowledge base and it still points towards soaking as the answer in 'crap conditions' (and they've got a much greater power to weight ratio than either of the sitty-down boats.)
Time will tell... and getting more than one of us on a race track! |
Sub planing, marginal, call it what you like Jimbo. Fact is, below a certain (true) wind speed all boats will perform better pulling up the plate and going downwind "plat vor dem Laken" ("flat to the bedsheet") soaking to the extreme. Boat characteristics vary, so for a Musto the time too do this is not the same time as for many other non-skiff yots. Remember, you can heat it up (nearly) anytime, but the Magic Word iz VMG.  |
did you see amac win his first two bullets at the moth worlds by soaking ?
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Posted: 16 Mar 10 at 7:55am |
Originally posted by Beardy
This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good Saxophone? |
Why d'ya want to sell it? Lighten up a little. Research shows Diazepam (valium) as a pink tablet forumulation aleviates painful depressive episodes, whereas as a white tablet it has a uplifting effect. Try some, or better still get out on the water more!!!!!! Needless to say, noone's yet tried a blue tablet forumulation, or have they? Perhaps, for some the World's best uplifting effect!!! . Feeling better now, Beardy?
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Posted: 15 Mar 10 at 10:55pm |
This thread is just depressing. :( anyone want to buy a really good
Saxophone?
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