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    Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 2:51pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

As per Simon's post, it's early days still with no published class rules
yet. I would have thought more will follow from RS in due course, at
the moment it's speculation... One thing is for certain though, RS are
very committed to this project being punter-led, so dressing up
'opportunity' as 'confusion' is just a cheap shot Russ.

 

No Cheap shot intended Jimbo, you know me better then that!

 

I for one can see why you have the two rigs, but didn't understand why the boat should have two PY's, i also didn't understand the fleet splitting thing, or choosing a rig before an event malarkey, hence why i said it was all very confusing!  I obviously hadn't noticed that alot of this was just prospective and excited new owners talking and speculating.

EDIT: Not really sure i would need to have a shot at the 100, no hidden ultimatum, i sail a boat from the same family and have a genuine interest in the class.



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I dont see how 2 rigs increases build costs much at all. Its a different sail and a mast stump and longer rigging?

I unlike alot of you totally see the point and concept of the 2 rigs. In my opinion there is a big difference between a 8.4 and 10.2m squared area sail. If this had only been a 10.2 rig option I doubt very much if I would have gone for it. Whereas RS have opened up the boat to a wider range of users.

How we end up racing together can be worked out but I am sure the 2 rig options have added to the boats popularity.

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Whatever you guys says about the 300 rigs there is almost no speed difference. Once you get up to speed in the boat then the larger rig is more managable in the windy stuff. In drifers there is no difference. Light winds the light people are generally quicker whatever the rig. In chop and med-heavy winds the heavy guys pull away especially upwind. I use a big rig but thats only because of what was available at the time.

If i am honest then I don't see the need for 2 rigs. As long as the sail depowers as well as the 300 then the light guys will get used to it. Having 2 rigs just increases build costs. Wouldn't it be better to reduce costs and make the boat financially available to more people?

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There are no current class rules. James's and my earlier comments just
suggested a very simple system i.e use what you like, but stick to one or the
other handicap number for each event (or even better no handicaps as the
smaller sail could be faster in heavier conditions). I suspect that we all want
it to be clear, simple and effective. Unless there are huge numbers we
probably all want one start line.

Perhaps Demo Dave could comment on what the RS thoughts are?
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Originally posted by turnturtle



Which one will me more popular at national level? Who knows, but if I
were putting a bet on now I'd say the 8.4 will be the weapon of choice for
most in breezy conditions, so this goes in reverse to what happened with
the 300s.

 

So are you saying then Jimbo that you can pick your rig for each event??  But later its going to be two seperate classes??  This is all very confussing?

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Originally posted by asterix

The problem is that if everyone gravitates to a big rig that could exclude the lighter sailors - that wasn't what RS expressed as the objective

 

The lighter sailors will learn how to handle the bigger rig, like they have in the 300!  Or with the smaller rig will equalise the performance!  In either case, why should there be a different PY?  Sorry guys but why should you be able to have it both ways? Oh and Haroosh, i completely disagree with you regarding the 300 A and B rigs, the smaller sailors go just as quick as the big boys!

 

The only way the weight vs sail size issue is going to work is if the association police it at opens etc.  If you are under a certain weight and height, you sail with the smaller rig, if you are over the bigger!  No changing that way you should all compete on a n evenish footing, with one PY.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote chrisg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 9:26am
Nope, I'm sure it wasnt what they wanted for the 300 either but it happened.

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The problem is that if everyone gravitates to a big rig that could exclude the lighter sailors - that wasnt what RS expressed as the objective
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Originally posted by haroosh

The reason for a different PY is that RS are saying that 2 different rigs do perfrom differently so for alot of us that will be handicap racing more often that one design racing surely it makes sense to have the most fair handicap for the given rig.

Yes I agree when everyones together its not important but for handicap racing I think if there is a difference then it should be reflected in PY.

Cheers,

Keith.

 

I'm with Russ on this one. Keep it simple and have one PY for the RS100 regardless of rig and both rigs start together. Yes there arent many 300's with small rigs anymore, as the lighter guys have now mostly mastered the big rigs. I think the same will happen with the 100. People predominantly sail in light to medium winds, and very occassionally heavy airs so my feeling is the 100 will go the same way as the 300 and people will gravitate toward the big rig over time, although I would love to be proved wrong.

You cant have it both ways and say that the speed difference is so negligible that at opens you will start together (which is what I'd be pushing for if i'd bought a 100) but that you need an advantage in handicap racing if you're using the small rig. Just doesnt stack up to me. You'd be labelled as the bandit class. Stick to one handicap for the class, choose your weapon as James said and enjoy your sailing!



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I agree with Keith (haroosh) it will be important to get the right PYs for each rig when we are sailing in handicap fleets at our own clubs (obviously I am assuming size does make a difference --oo er misus!)

there is no need to actually apply the PYs at a class event, but the results from the class events might be useful afterwards for working out the PYs

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