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    Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 7:07pm
by the way everyone is talking the big rig is actually going to be for the bigger people :-)
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It is quite common to hear people saying they will hang onto big rags up wind to have the sail area down wind in a unarigged singlehander. In the RS100, you have plenty of sail downwind anyway, so I can see the small sail being faster round the course in any weather where the big sail is spilling wind.
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The proposed PYs are fairly close, and it appears that the small sails will be faster in more breeze, so why bother with the 30seconds per hour difference?
In a OD race there wil be several minutes difference between 1st and say 5th, even in a strict OD class.

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Perhaps a photo of the sails laying on top of each other just to compare the sizes... and a few pics of the cockpit and some slightly less zoomed in phots of the control line systems, it all looked a bit confusing on the photos I had seen before! Bascally a lot of photos of rope! But photos that show where it all goes not just it passing through a fairlead with no idea where it ends up!

Oh and have a good sail while im sat sailing uni firefly's at a team racing event



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Originally posted by turnturtle

 

I just want a cup of tea and some cake.

I'm all for keeping it simple,

OK mate - I agree with that !

Have a good weekend:-)



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Originally posted by laser193713

I'm hoping being young, tall and a laser sailor
should make me fairly quick upwind..



But it might also mean you are an inexperienced, clumsy, toy boat sailor !

Probably not though !
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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I'm hoping being young, tall and a laser sailor should make me fairly quick upwind, I dont think I need a lot more than 8m of sail upwind really, you start hiking at about 10 knots in a laser and its hardly worth sailing in less than that much wind in my opinion! I dont think the sail area should make a lot of difference, the bigger rigs will have more drag once the smaller rigs are powered up and at the end of the day going the right way up the beat is probably more important than anything.  They say that 80% of the race is in the start too, so only time will tell I guess!

Perhaps if we add a box on the entry forms at the nationals for height and weight then someone somewhere could put together a table of the top ten from each rig to see what the real weight range is? That would be the best way to work it out I think...

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Originally posted by laser193713

phew, glad im not the lightest.  Thinking about it there is only 9 points difference between the boats which is something like 36 seconds an hour, or about 30 seconds to a race, thats not a lot is it! I think I am going to be quite happy with the small rig to be honest, and then use those 9 points to my advantage in handicap racing provided I sail the same speed with both rigs it can only be a good thing can't it?

In my case the big rig was never an option. We will just have to work hard keeping with the bigger guys upwind then hopefully make up the places downhill! Thats my hope anyway.

Its going to be really interesting to see how wide the competitive weight range is over varied conditions. Just might need to wear a few more jumpers when its honking.....

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phew, glad im not the lightest.  Thinking about it there is only 9 points difference between the boats which is something like 36 seconds an hour, or about 30 seconds to a race, thats not a lot is it! I think I am going to be quite happy with the small rig to be honest, and then use those 9 points to my advantage in handicap racing provided I sail the same speed with both rigs it can only be a good thing can't it?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by laser193713

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by asterix


...and the results could also be adjusted using the different PYs to see
who is the overall winner in any particular race or on any particular day. 


And as long as two different and appropriate PYs are used, there
shouldn't be a problem with people swapping to a big sail for the next
day if the wind drops.  



And there in comes the buggeration factor... for both race committee and
competitors. The luxury of going to class events is that you're not racing
against your watch, but against other physical objects on the water,
whatever sail choice they bang up. IMO, it's only fair that if you start an
event with one sail size then you finish with it, unless there are
extenuating circumstances. That's the only fair way as it takes away
some of the 'arms race' aspect of owning two sails for differing conditions. If
we wanted a quiver to select from and piss around with between races, then
there are other classes out there already established. Sod that, I just want a cup
of tea and some cake.

I'm all for keeping it simple, if anyone wants to extract the 10.2s and 8.4s
into separate results, then fair enough, they will, that's human nature. But
as for faffing around with portsmouth yardsticks and assessing what is
fair for the different rigs when racing against each other on various
parameters of wind, sea and tide states, then b**locks, save that for the
politics of the post club racing beer analysis with Phantoms, Lasers and
RS300s on a Wednesday night.

 

THE CHAIRMAN HAS SPOKEN!

Also, I'm starting to get a bit afraid of the beer gut! I thought I was quite heavy at 80kg! Seems I will be among the lightest in the fleet now, it better stay that way!

 

Dont worry I'm l;ight than you at just below 70kg but I still like beeeeer.

8.4m sail only for sure.

Cheers,

Keith.

 

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