The RS100 Owners Thread

I agree that the fleet should sail together regardless of rig size.

I disagree that a handicap system should be used because one rig will always be favourable, causing arguments and disputes. Not to mention the usual "you only won the nationals because it was windy and you had the small rig and you weigh 100 kgs" which is rubbish, coming top 10 in an event can be fluke, winning it normally isnt! But comments such as this still arise and from the outsiders point of view it makes the class look unstable. Best to avoid that I would say!

I disagree that changing rig from day to day without scoring your points in the results for the other rig. In other words if you changed down a size you would score a days worth of DNCs on the big rig results sheet and get your results in the small rig results.  This then means there is no advantage in results terms from changing rigs, you may just get a more enjoyable days sailing from it. Then everyone is happy! At the end of the day who cares who wins the day in the combined fleet, afterall they are effectively 2 different classes of boat providing they have different handicaps!

Originally posted by laser193713 I dont think you should be allowed to change sails mid event, I am not worried about the big guys all coming along on a windy event and racing the small rig but if it turns light the next day of the event then I would not be happy for them to get their big rigs out again! At least not on the same set of results! Maybe in a couple of years I will have gained weight and skill and might be able to handle the bigger rig, perhaps I can handle it now? I have been told that at my size i would probably be on the small rig, but what are the actual suggested weights for each rig? Or is that still to be discovered?

Hi ya

look, I am in the same position as you - faily light (78-80kgs) and with the small sail only (for now at least). 

The argument rests on a couple of things, but I assume we all want to have the same start don't we? -  I do.

Results for the big and small sailed boats can be separated after a race (into Big and Small, but with no assumption of e.g., 'gold' being better than 'silver') and the results could also be adjusted using the different PYs to see who is the overall winner in any particular race or on any particular day. 

And as long as two different and appropriate PYs are used, there shouldn't be a problem with people swapping to a big sail for the next day if the wind drops.  

Having 'combined' events in this way (i.e., all sailing together) should actually be the best way of determining what the difference between the two PY numbers should be. 

Originally posted by turnturtle Originally posted by laser193713 No that is a very bad idea! I will only be buying one rig due to the cost and so will most others probably! Dont bring the handicaps into the fleet racing, if the fleet gets big enough then it would be hell trying to take all the times down as well as the sail numbers! And if it gets really big we will want to be sailing in 2 seperate starts anyway either in flights of mixed rigs or as seperate rigs. why do you need to take the times? Handicapping doesn't need to exist... simply filter the results, a bit like 'Gold' & 'Silver' fleets in the MPS... you'll always get the odd silver fleet bod finishing above the odd gold fleet bod, but they start at the same time and finish on the same overall results sheet. See here for a case in point: http://tinyurl.com/yctbqo6 Rick won the Nationals, I came last... we still shared the same starts, drank some beer and ate from the same cauldron of pasta at the end of the day... that's what great classes do, they're inclusive.

Keeping events inclusie is key to keeping everyone interested.

We always give the best prizes to the age groups & silver & bronze.

I think Sten one a baseball cap for winning the Nationals where as the Silver winner got a nice huge Harken roller bag.

After all; it's a bunch of friends enjoying a holiday.

 

laser193713 . This system shouldn't penalise anyone. Lighties with one
rig still have the handicap advantage. The only penalty in this system for
one sail only sailors, would be that Big guys with only a 10.2 couldn't
change down in bigger winds.

In reality, the boat and rig is pretty user friendly, so a good big guy will
carry a 10.2 in all weathers. I am a pretty average club sailor and used to
sail a megabyte with a 10m main in all weathers. That was with a pretty
stiff / leass adjustable rig and 10 " less beam.

I will have a smaller sail as well because I sail on the sea almost
exclusively and when I want to go for a non serious pursuit race in a big
wind I may just want a slightly easier life. Also give my son a chance to
sail the boat when he is bored of his Radial.

James

I think you have just written the perfect simple class rule on this one -

"Choose your weapons..."

For each event all have a free choice, but once made you stick with it for
the whole event.

If you register with a big 10.2, take the handicap penalty, but its 'a
blowin', then by all means use an 8.4, but you still have the 10.2
handicap.

If you are a lighty and the event is looking very light, you can chose to
register with the big sail and make your lightness work for you, but on
the 10.2 handicap.

Simples

Whatever, its key to keep both rigs on the same start.