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    Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 11:30am

Originally posted by turnturtle

As I understood it, the relaxation of class rules in the 300 was an evolution
led by the sailors. I'm sure it was 'designed' and implemented as a form of
weight equalisation when first launched.

I hope the 100s can cut the bullsh*t phase out and learn from the positive
improvements the 300 sailors did for their class. But hey, that's just my
opinion, maybe others would prefer to see a split down the line on sail
choice once the numbers justify running larger events in a couple of heats.

You're right Jimbo, it was sailor-led. There were originally 2 cut-off weights specified. Below the lower weight you had to use the smaller (A) rig and above the higher weight you had to use the larger (B) rig. Between the 2 weight you could use either. Could only change rig once per year though. And all boats have the same handicap so there's just 1 fleet.

Now anyone of whatever weight can use either rig (but as Chris states, can only change once a year). What has happened is that several lighter sailors who originally used an A rig have developed their technique to cope with the B so have moved up. This might also happen with the 100 with those using the smaller sail perhaps moving to the larger one in a year or two's time.

Anyway, it's all self limiting. The lighter sailors with the large rig are very difficult to beat in light winds but they struggled at the champs last year when we never got below force 4. Choose your weapons...

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James, I hope to do a test sail through ldc some time soon, depending on what happens there and what they suggest or leave me undecided on I may have to take up your offer of a sail especially if there are other boats there using both rigs just to see how it works in reality on a race course.  I am just slightly nervous that sailing the 8.4 would get frustrating when all the 10.2s can roll out from under you and you cant do the same to them.  I guess it will just come down to how much sail i feel i can handle when i try the boat, it looks a very stable platform but only a test sail can confirm that! Also as I will probably not have sailed my boat until the first race of the nationals I may be tempted more to the safer option of the 8.4 rig, will have to see whether we get a windy summer or not too... Parkstone with 20 knots and a rig that is too big on a boat i had never sailed before would be a bit of a disaster!
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James

i know duringtesting the Phant sail was directly compared on the packages
and its a lot bigger than they want you to think............
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No, Chris C in the 300's, everyone races against everyone regardless of rig size. You state rig size at start of season and are allowed to change once I think. None of this changing to suit conditions malarkey at open level anyway. No weight limit, anyone can sail any rig.

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I thought there would be more of the big rigs to be honest, my only issue with getting the small rig is that I am much more likely to put on weight than lose it, I dont want to half to pay for another sail and a mast section 6 months down the line.  I have until september to decide so I will keep an eye on my height and weight up until then.  I will also speak to ldc and test sail both rigs if I can.  Perhaps the 8.4 is a better option though as I can imagine 10m of sail swinging across in a gybe in any decent wind would be quite a handful!
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Showing my total ignorance (?) are there 2 National Champions in the RS300
(A rig and B rig) ?. Apologies if I should know this !
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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At 80kgs, the 8.4 is probably the choice depending on where you sail. Kite
is the same for both 12.5m. Still gives you 20.9m of downwind sail area! I
understand that split of sails is probably more 8.4's at the moment. I don't
think there was a notable difference in performance during testing, hence
the small difference which equates to about 30s over an hours race.

James the 10.2 is also between a laser and a Phantom. On the same sail
package a phantom comes out at something like 10.5m. Epoxy hull....PY of
1043 yeah right
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ChrisC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 10:46am
I would much prefer this arrangement - both fleets racing together.
Ultimately it is going to be the only way to truly test if the rig sizes actually
perform differently in the same conditions - plus it will make for much
better big fleet racing.

Personally I doubt that the PY's should be that different (or that way around
!) given that the kites are the same size for both. I would have thought that
in typical marginal conditions a lighter helm is going to be advantaged on
the downwind (where mainsail size is not such a significant factor) being
able to sail a deeper hot angle than the heavier guys - going to be
interesting to see though !

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Is the kite the same size on both? And what are the reccomended weight ranges for the rigs, I had always just assumed I wanted the big one, I am just touching 80kgs and am 6 foot 2. 
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Question

Do you have to sail in your weight range. Will class rules stipulate that
<85kg Must use 8.4 or >85kg Must use 10.2?

OR

is 85kg a nominal point and you choose which sail to register for a race
or series with. i.e nothing to stop a 90kg fatboy using the 8.4 for a
season (and praying for big wind) or the other way round.

If so, provided that you registered with a 10.2, can you sail with an 8.4
when the wind gets up? ( Like a 600)

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