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    Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by Doug.H

Originally posted by Slippery Jim


Letīs keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then.


Or we stop talking about "S-curve-give-a-sh*t" when we can simplify it
with
one sentence - When it gets windy my arm gets tired more quickly
regardless of what boat I sail.
We've all sailed plenty of different boats yet no one is jumping up saying
"yeah mate, I felt exactly what you're talking about". So maybe, just
maybe
whatever fancy equation you've thrown at it, in the reality of actually
sailing,
it counts for dick all.


I humbly apologise for any reason to have motivated you use defamatory
and aggressive language on this forum when I was clearly showing signs
of being fed up with not having my question understood.

Perhaps you should reconsider your tone. Experience - luckily second
hand - has shown me that the verbal assailant wakes up a few hours later
in hospital with multiple, severe injuries, such as glass in the face, neck,
stabbing wounds, baseball bat bludgeons and so on. I know you can hide
behind your monitor sniggering, but my advice to you is to save the talk
about dicks for when you need to use your own for the right reasons and
otherwise not to take that type of language out in public.

Shalom and good night



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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

[QUOTE=laser193713] There is a real reason for wanting
to know this. 

well lets have the reason then - else this current discussion is endlessly uninformative

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Originally posted by Slippery Jim


Letīs keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then.


deleted as I was being a dick, as can be seen in the quote box below.

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Originally posted by laser193713

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You can keep your drag curves, 59ers and 4000s! The mainsheet loads
should in theory be similar or slightly lighter than a laser im guessing.
I want to keep my drag curve as it is anyway, for obvious
reasons! As far as I can
remember, the Laser5000 mainsheet loads increase very suddenly
coming onto the plane, since the drag curve is like that. The loads on the
59er are about 1/2 that of a standard laser. As for ally boom and its
effectiveness and the use of the kicker, it all depends which tool you use
to change the sail profile etc. and this varies from boat to boat. This has
very little to do with my question though, since once you īve got the sail
apparently set right with the kicker or whatever you use, my question still
remains.


What i meant was the answer to the mainsheet loads question has a lot
of variables, depending mainly on kicker tension and wind strength. So
there is no real answer.




Letīs keep it simple simon undergraduate-like then. My question relates
solely to the increase in mainsheet tension which might occur when a
boat starts to plane in marginal conditions, nothing more. Anything else
is, however irrelevant to this question. There is a real reason for wanting
to know this.
With all due respect I donīt need to know about your laser - itīs a blow
downwind boat and only has one sail. There is always a real answer,
if youīre prepared to look for it.

And what about main sheet tension on the RS100 in this context then?


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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by laser193713

You can keep your drag curves, 59ers and 4000s!
The mainsheet loads should in theory be similar or slightly lighter than a
laser im guessing. Lighther perhaps because the kicker will be more
effective without a pathetic aluminium bendy boom.  The sheet loads will
all depend on whether it turns out to be faster to sail the boat with lots of
kicker or not.  I have not managed to see whether they have bothered
with ratchets on the kite sheets, the blocks look small in all the photos
but that doesnt mean they arent ratchets and all the close up shots seem
to conveniently cover or not show the blocks!  I know someone on here
knows the answer!

I want to keep my drag curve as it is anyway, for obvious reasons! As
far as I can remember, the Laser5000 mainsheet loads increase very
suddenly coming onto the plane, since the drag curve is like that. The
loads on the 59er are about 1/2 that of a standard laser. As for ally
boom and its effectiveness and the use of the kicker, it all depends which
tool you use to change the sail profile etc. and this varies from boat to
boat. This has very little to do with my question though, since once you
īve got the sail apparently set right with the kicker or whatever you use,
my question still remains.

We also use Harken ratchets on the 59er spinnaker sheet, since the loads
are quite high.

What i meant was the answer to the mainsheet loads question has a lot of variables, depending mainly on kicker tension and wind strength. So there is no real answer.

And high kite loads even with a linear drag curve  

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Originally posted by laser193713

You can keep your drag curves, 59ers and 4000s!
The mainsheet loads should in theory be similar or slightly lighter than a
laser im guessing. Lighther perhaps because the kicker will be more
effective without a pathetic aluminium bendy boom.  The sheet loads will
all depend on whether it turns out to be faster to sail the boat with lots of
kicker or not.  I have not managed to see whether they have bothered
with ratchets on the kite sheets, the blocks look small in all the photos
but that doesnt mean they arent ratchets and all the close up shots seem
to conveniently cover or not show the blocks!  I know someone on here
knows the answer!


I want to keep my drag curve as it is anyway, for obvious reasons! As
far as I can remember, the Laser5000 mainsheet loads increase very
suddenly coming onto the plane, since the drag curve is like that. The
loads on the 59er are about 1/2 that of a standard laser. As for ally
boom and its effectiveness and the use of the kicker, it all depends which
tool you use to change the sail profile etc. and this varies from boat to
boat. This has very little to do with my question though, since once you
īve got the sail apparently set right with the kicker or whatever you use,
my question still remains.

We also use Harken ratchets on the 59er spinnaker sheet, since the loads
are quite high.
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The RS100 does come with ratchet blocks for the spinnaker sheets.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Martin - LSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 10 at 2:47pm

Yep, according to one of Nick's blogs they decided on ratchets for the spinny sheets. However the one guy we all know with an actual boat will be able to tell us for sure. I'll be fitting them anyway, if they're not standard.

At my age I was thinking about a Lewmar power pack and full hydraulics/ powered winches, kicker, outhaul etc and maybe the keel from a K1 ..... but maybe too heavy????

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You can keep your drag curves, 59ers and 4000s! The mainsheet loads should in theory be similar or slightly lighter than a laser im guessing. Lighther perhaps because the kicker will be more effective without a pathetic aluminium bendy boom.  The sheet loads will all depend on whether it turns out to be faster to sail the boat with lots of kicker or not.  I have not managed to see whether they have bothered with ratchets on the kite sheets, the blocks look small in all the photos but that doesnt mean they arent ratchets and all the close up shots seem to conveniently cover or not show the blocks!  I know someone on here knows the answer!
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim


I meant in marginal conditions, when you alternate between planing and
squatting, but I take it you meant no.


Indeed I do. The 4000 has annoyingly high main loads most of the time
(assuming we're running a 4:1, though I've plenty of nancy boys with 5:1
AND a cleat..... disgraceful!). Massacring the kicker is pretty standard but
then it is with most fully battened mains I would have thought (though
not so much the 200/400).

Anyways this is all far too far away from the 100.....how to link it all in?

So boys, what's the main load on the 100 like?

There we go, saved!
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