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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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What are they tickler? Don't tell me they need sash chords to really work well. |
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the same, but different...
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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Standardisation? Would it not be easier to have fewer types of boat then? that way we could have a mast and rig designed specifically for each boat and still get the benefits of higher volume because with fewer variations more people would be sailing each type. We could stick with just the olympic classes like they do in loads of counties around the world. Or we could go back to the old international rule (look it up on wiki). I'm being sarcastic to make the point. You are contradicting yourself. It is an interesting idea i grant you, but if someone like selden could make one mast for every type of boat do you not think they would have done so already? (and to be fair they are trying to make pretty much ever new one out of their series 3 carbon section if they can, so its going that way) Another point is almost every class has a different length mast, so you would either need to change all the existing boats' designs, or have different length (emphasis on the word different) masts, inner and outer, for every type of boat anyway. |
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I'd thought about the length issue.
The outer could be sections and modular. The inner sail specific. Surely mast length should be determined by boat length/width. Someone somewhere must have determined that much in 'how to design a sailboat school' So once your would be builder has designed the box his boat will fit in, he simply orders up the standard length outer, and the sail builder supplies the rest. (I.E. The sail builder can carry the bit that makes his sail work right in his facility) Don't you agree it is ridiculously over complicated, time consuming and quite often wrong the way things are at the moment. A mast is after all only a means to an end, the sail is the engine that drives it all, the mast should be a constant and variable only at the sail designers request. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Mast length determined by hull length? That is definately back to the international rule. Have a look through the classes review in the latest issue of Y&Y and see how many different boats are around the 14' (4.27m) mark (as an example), does it have two trapeezes like an I14 or none like a merlin rocket or is it a single hander like a laser or supernova, and any one of maybe 30 other types of the same sort of length. Making the outer section modular would be a nightmare to engineer, would the sections be removable or would you bond them permanantly? how long would they be or would you get a number of lengths like scalextric track? Overlapping the sections to get a solid connection (however they attach) is going to put step changes in the bed characteristics, and a nasty series of stress concertrations throughout the structure. To get a smoothe fair bend curve, you need a smoothe fair mast structure. There maybe something more sound inn your theory that I can't see, but I really am stuggling to think of a way to make it work practically in the real world |
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Reaches for that Engineer v Marketing man in Hot Air Balloon joke.
Look we've told you what we want - just build it will you. ![]() Edited by G.R.F. |
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Removable
Like scalextric maybe three sections with the tip variable.
Thank you for your notes Mr Eltringham, the board wants me to tell you they have the utmost confidence in your ability to engineer this project, if we could just have the prototypes by Friday lunchtime, the annual company golf contest starts at two and the marketing dept have a strong team to field this year.. |
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This engineer is taking a leaf out of the Bob Crow (who seem so intent on me not getting to work anymore) book of contract negotiation and going on strike until I can get double my current salary for working no more than half an hour a month, get a 10% pay rise every year until I can retire aged 35 on 200% of my final salary, with no requirement for me to actually achieve anything with my time. I will start work on the project within 28 worked days of the new contact being agreed...
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Found it.
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