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    Posted: 20 Oct 09 at 8:25pm

In ye' days of olde I guess there were no cam cleats only open (horn) cleats.  Is it now the case that no one, or not many folk use open cleats for things like Jib sheets on a dinghy?
The reason I ask is I need to keep my 10 year old son busy, whilst he learns what little I know!

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I think the last time anyone used horn cleats for jib sheets was in about 1940. It's safer to be able to release the sheets in a hurry if you're hit by a gust, so just put your hand in your pocket and get some proper modern cam cleats. It'll make the whole experience more enjoyable if your equipment works and your son will be more likely to want to carry on sailing.


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Thanks Roy, 'spend my way out', has never been an option I am keen to follow, I know and respect where you are coming from though.  The plan is to progress to keel boats in the future, I'm more worried about skill more than convenience.

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Buy cam cleats.  If you can't release the jib quickly enough you could well end up capsized and your son could end up cold, wet and frightened.  There is nothing to be learned by using horn cleats; very few boats make use of them, even the cvrda use new fangled stuff these days.  Get your son familiar with things he is most likely to encounter in the near future.  The only reason why securing an open cleat is taught in the RYA syllabus is because it demonstrates how to secure a boat to a mooring.  It has no place being used for jib sheets.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 10:10am
Horn cleats shouldn't really be in use for sheets even on keel boats either I'd have thought, for pretty much the same reason. Smaller ones will use cam cleats larger ones combinations of winches and clutches, yes?
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I am just starting a restoration project on a 1957 Osprey -
it is in original layout and has bronze horn cleats for
most things but not the sheets..... In fact it has no sheet
cleats at all, just a huge snubbing winch mounted on the
centre of the thwart which will probably cause the crew
some pain if they come in from the trapeze too fast! As far
as I am aware horn cleats should never be and have never
been used for sheets in a dinghy. Get some cam cleats or as
they used to just hold the sheets.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 11:34am
Still to be found on Main Halyards, but that's about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Garry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 4:45pm

All the bosuns I've sailed have had cam cleats for the jib sheets.

Most keelboats now have self tailing winches, I haven't seen a cleat used for sheets in years.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

Still to be found on Main Halyards, but that's about it.


RS Feva Jib Haliards thats the only boat I have found them on (and owned)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Okapi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 7:31pm
Now a snubbing winch is a good idea, I have room for one on the centreboard casing on the forward thwart.  That should keep him busy with a sheet to pull, now I gotta find a small one which hopefully has a reversible ratchet, hopefully it clicks... these X-boxes have not won the day yet!
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