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    Posted: 19 Oct 09 at 11:34am
American college studetns have to wear safety nhelmets when pole vaulting.  That's usa for you, whre compensation culture flourishes.

I'm totally unsure about helmets.  I see some kids out in them because their parents have made them use them, also I have done work for schools where the kids have been made to wear them over a certain wind strength.  In this last instance the kids were happier when they had the helmets on.

I wouldn't wan to see clubs forced to buy them - a bit of a hole in the budget - so I suppose I'm sitting on the fence on this one.
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Originally posted by MerlinMags

I've taught at a sailing school where helmets were required above a certain wind strength. It's mainly to cover H&S / insurance problems, and less about worrying over children's skulls.

H&S is worrying about children's skulls, cultural issue (H&S is something separate imposed by others) you highlight is even more concerning!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 09 at 9:22am

My uncle was killed when he was knocked off his bike (by an uncaring moron who got off scot-free, but that's another, typical story).

Said he felt OK but was persuaded to go to hospital where he was placed under observation. Unfortunately, the observation wasn't successful, as he died of what must have been a haemorrhage a day or so later. Bangs on the head are only harmless in films, unfortunately.

They said he would have survived had he been wearing a helmet.

I always wear one for cycling, so why don't I for sailing where I bang my head considerably more often (if, hopefully, not as hard)?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Garry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 09 at 8:44am
I think I heard on radio 4 the other day that one of the biggest cause of deaths to healthy individuals was brain

haemorrhages, 800 a year!

 

We have bump hats for children, up to parent if they wear them.

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I've taught at a sailing school where helmets were required above a certain wind strength. It's mainly to cover H&S / insurance problems, and less about worrying over children's skulls.

I don't like them, but it's something we have to put up with these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 09 at 9:42am

This is somewhat reminiscent of the cycling helmet debate.

A lot of people were reluctant (rightly) to concede that wearing a helmet would be a good idea for some people some of the time, in case some meddling beaurocrat decided that everyone must wear one all of the time. That helped polarize the arguments which didn't help anyone.

Unfortunately both the risks of head damage and bureaucrats are real.

Personally, I feel that everyone should be aware or made aware of the risks in life then left to make their own decision. I'd apply that inter alia to buoyancy aids as well. The only flaw in my argument I can see is that youth might be peer-pressured into not-wearing. Free to choose after the age of 16? Alright, 18...

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I've been hospitalised from a crack on the head from a Laser boom (whilst rigging!), but I still wouldn't wear a hat - the risk just seems to low to bother to me.  But at the RYA Outboard thing I linked to, it was only a Force 1.  Even if you were clonked on the head, you'd just shrug it off, or get a small bump. Fair enough stopping brain damage but I don't think we should be stopping children getting bumps and bruises - they are an important part of life.

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i only wear a bloody bouyancy aid when im racing. i spent the summer training in nothing but a pair of shorts and sometimes a t-shirt. mtfu! a hat for sailing? ridiculous!!!! although i dont blame the guys that wear one on oracles tri.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote radixon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 09 at 9:38pm
I sailed my Laser and got a cut to the head when I righted it in a F6/7

As for kids, yeah too right, at centre level its piece of mind, seen too many bloody heads.
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Originally posted by Doug.H

Helmets are completely rediculous!  They just make the head a much bigger target for the boom and of course as stated above, don't teach people to duck when they should.  Some things ARE supposed to be learned the hard way and ducking to miss the boom is one of those things.  

Try telling that to David Fenech at WSC. He got a crack from the boom so hard that he went to hosptial; there they told him that a repeat episode could leave him with brain damage. He always wears a hard hat now - originally a kayaking helmet, now a hard-shelled baseball cap something like this:

http://www.seton.co.uk/setoneurope/catalog/0/20/200113-2%203 11994-3.html

There are times when the unexpected happens and you get a clout. No point in being macho if your brain can't pick the shifts any longer.

As for not teaching you to duck, that's nonsense - you actually learn to duck lower: yes your head does become a bigger target but you still want to avoid it being hit by the boom...

Of course, I don't actually wear one (!) but that's really only because i've not come across one to buy, or indeed looked on the web for one till now. Wish I'd had one last Sunday when I dived inside an Osprey at a mark on the wrong line - boom wouldn't come across at first pull, then just as I was focussed on steering inches away from the mark, it did. My crew was applying pressure to my bleeding ear from the wire for a bit after that; macho but dumb.

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