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    Posted: 05 Oct 09 at 3:44pm
Semantics semantis, grow up you fool

Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Norbert

About as predictable as the sun coming up in the
morning TurnTurtle can't resist taking a pop at anything about the
D1.And they say the Italian guys are bad
Originally posted by turnturtle

interesting
mast bending... seems to be dumping power in what, a
F2...


that's not a pop- I said it was 'interesting', I then got a great explanation
from SimonW99 which I thanked him for- this is a Dinghy Development
area, where I hope we can ask open questions without being criticised?

The one thing you can't take away from the D-One is its Finn heritage,
where let's be fair there's been more investment into unstayed rig
development than in nigh-on any other class.

btw- this is a 'pop'- get knotted Norbert and learn to read, you plank!
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now now boys!

It is clear that the D-One seems to take a lot of Finn into consideration in the way it needs to be sailed.

One thing I would say that is completely different, in case people are put off by the sound of "it's like a Finn" so it must a beast to sail, is that when I took it out for a blast on Sat even with the wings on the "inner" setting I didn't feel it was majorly hard work to control.

Tim
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Originally posted by matbard

Hello Timg,

As suggested by Luca Devoti and Michele Tognozzi, you should cleat the mainsail at maximum while you sail close hauled. You have to play with the traveller to twist the mainsail and depower, but NEVER put the traveller on the centreline or - worse - upwind! As in the Finn, in light winds you have to mantain a minimum twist putting the traveller about a span downwind, and in strong winds pull the cunningham hard and push the traveller to the limit.

For running, ease the mainsheet enough to keep the boom inside the boat, hoist the gennaker ant try to keep the leaches parallel.

My D-One (not sailed by me...) planed upwind in it's first regatta at 7.2 kts measured from a GPS device.

Thanks Matteo I shall try that next Sat.

Tim
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Thanks SimonW99- good explanation.

I guess with a big old mainsail like that it's going to scream on the close
reaches without the kite.   It'll be interesting to see it line up against Mike's
new HALO concept, the Blaze is blisteringly quick on a close reach, so I can
only imagine what differences the HALO rig can add.

The D-One was fantastically fast reaching up and down on Sat in a F5 without the kite. It annoyed a few windsurfers (which can't always be a bad thing)

Tim
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".... so I can only imagine what differences the HALO rig can add".

You must try it then !   Get in touch. 
We did not go to all that trouble for it to be slower than a Blaze on any point of sailing .... or much else comparable.  D1 will no doubt be faster than a Halo on windward/leeward but when the breeze is up a notch I would not bet the farm against a Halo around typical club courses even without that second sail.   And we are only just beginning now to fine tune the rig having made the key decisions ....

Sorry highjack over ! Good luck with the D1 anyway but you just have to respond sometimes when mentioned.

Mike L.
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Well I didnt want to admit to overtaking a few boarders...but....i did.

I keep forgetting it's all carbon!!!

And there was a bit of an audience on the beach.

TBH I hadn't thought about the tight reaches around a course that I might be facing, I had been looking forward to flying the kite, but you are right, sometimes it may not be needed.

Especially with that traveller control it will be really powerful.

So exciting.



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Originally posted by blaze720

".... so I can only imagine what differences the HALO rig can add".

You must try it then !   Get in touch. 
We did not go to all that trouble for it to be slower than a Blaze on any point of sailing .... or much else comparable.  D1 will no doubt be faster than a Halo on windward/leeward but when the breeze is up a notch I would not bet the farm against a Halo around typical club courses even without that second sail.   And we are only just beginning now to fine tune the rig having made the key decisions ....

Sorry highjack over ! Good luck with the D1 anyway but you just have to respond sometimes when mentioned.

Mike L.

Mike,

what is the Halo sail area?

And how did you get on at the "cock" event?

Hijack over.

Tim
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Originally posted by timg

It annoyed a few windsurfers


Wouldn't be the first time..

What did it do?

Bore them to death?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 09 at 8:08pm

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by timg

It annoyed a few windsurfers


Wouldn't be the first time..

What did it do?

Bore them to death?

awwwww!!! that's harsh.
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Originally posted by blaze720

".... so I can only imagine what differences the HALO rig can add".

You must try it then !   Get in touch. 
We did not go to all that trouble for it to be slower than a Blaze on any point of sailing .... or much else comparable.  D1 will no doubt be faster than a Halo on windward/leeward but when the breeze is up a notch I would not bet the farm against a Halo around typical club courses even without that second sail.   And we are only just beginning now to fine tune the rig having made the key decisions ....

Sorry highjack over ! Good luck with the D1 anyway but you just have to respond sometimes when mentioned.

Mike L.

Sorry Mike but the guys seem to be doing well without our input and I have enjoyed the banter!  I'm not into the 'yours is better than mine' scenario so I guess that it's best we try to avoid that.  The official PY's will take that all into account in the due course of time but we are very pleased with the all round speed of the D-One across the wind range and in all directions (kite up and down).  Have had some great input from the D-Ones handicap racing over the weekend which helps us to build up further our knowledge base.

I have to say that having had a chance to take a good look at the Halo I was most impressed and I am sure it's a winner.  I reckon that the rig concept should appeal to the heavy guys and also to the lighter helms who can learn to depower the sail to windward in a breeze.  Nice boat, nice rig!!  Sorry, off topic

Hope to see you soon,

Rodney



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