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    Posted: 16 Oct 07 at 9:36am

Hi Chic

Our carbon pole is made by C spars. I'm terrified of breaking it -how did you break yours?

And talking of breakages, we broke our pulpit at the weekend. The body of the pulpit pulled of the central post above the nav light - it seems that hiking hard has caused it to go. Irritating, but the local stainless guy is going to be able to fix it for now and strengthen it when it's out of the water.

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Does anyone know of a good supplier of carbon tubing?? We broke our pole on Sunday in gusty conditions...

I don't have anything bad to say about Steve Goacher, he's been incredibly helpful and friendly, and, myself being a sometime Sonata sailor as well as the P762 I have always found him willing to dispense helpful advice at Sonata events where I have spoken to him.

I have to explain we didn't order the Goacher pentex sails for our boat (they were ordered by the boat's previous owner), but... the genoa doesn't reach the deck and consequently seems to be missing the most important part of the sail. The Wichard hook for the tack is too small and it's always a struggle to rig. Similarly the head has so much webbing that it is virtually imposible to attach a shackle. The main pulls out of the track regularly and I had to fit a slug slide to the head, which unfortunately doesn't do its job properly because - in my opinion - the headboard is attached too close to the boltrope. I have thought of a solution but I have to rely on favours to be allowed into our local loft where I used to work to make the changes. Having said that the main is a great shape and powerful too. I have mentioned these problems to Steve and he has promised to look at photos of the genoa when I send them - not something he has any obligation to do.

I'm glad to hear that other people's Goacher sails work well, but I also wish that ours did too!

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Chic, I bought a Pentex Jib from Steve Goacher about 3 years ago and it is a fantastic sail, flat and controllable and still in excellent condition, despite being tested in more wind that I care to think about (no wind instruments so I can't give numbers). I found him very friendly and helpful, and he knows the Projection well. I have just bought a kevlar Main, kevlar 130% Genoa and a 50sqm kite from him. We've only been using them for a few weeks but they are very well made and so far I am very very happy. The kite is a deep runner and I still have my 44 sqm Hyde, which is very flat and reaches incredibly well if we need it. I'm surprised others havn't had the same experience as me, but I can't speak too highly of his sails and service.

Interestingly. I decreased the genoa by about 1.5 sq m and increased the kite by 6sqm and the IRc went up 1 click.


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Our Goacher sails have been excellent, great shape , well made and fast.  Personally I like a sailmaker who has made a few projection sails in the past with some sucess, hence Goacher, Quantum  Hyde etc.

Go 60 cm up with the hoist, fit a dinghy sized but all stainless steel ball bearing sheave block in the mast so the hole cut is small, use 8mm halvard.  Should allow spinaker luff length increase to 9.8m .  Combine with IRC area of 45-46m^2 gives a good aspect ratio for reaching and enough power to plane early. Mast will be fine,tested to 35 knots.

We found Goacher spi fuller than Quantum, so better going deep but lees good on a tight reach. You pays your money........

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My Boat at present is all Hyde sails . I had a jib from Goacher on my last boat , not really impressed , forgot to put a window in and didn't last long . When i ordered a new jib localy the Goacher was looked at and it was well out of spec and too full in the head . Some boats up here have a lot of good words for Goacher but some are not so sure , I seem to recall a new Cork jib falling apart . I have ordered a new main and no.1 from a local sailmaker who has recently started working for himself , he has made me sails before, when he worked in a local loft, I couldn't rate him high enough. . . fantastic attention to detail , he's sailed with us a couple of times to get feel of boat and see how the Hydes perform , he wants another sail in more breeze soon , he has a new sailcloth in mind also , I'll let you know how we come on .  I'm sure I won't be disappointed .
I'm having a look at J80 pulpits ... thanks ,

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Hi Garth,

In my experience 0.9oz spinnaker cloth would normally only be used for a small heavy weather kite on a boat of this size. Given that you are going for a reasonably large kite, 45sqm, I would go for .75oz cloth. The heavier cloth would make it more difficult to fly in light winds. I don't know if anyone else uses heavier?? All our symmetrical kites are .75oz and no real issues even in strong winds - most damage tends to happen when hoisting and dropping. If you're going to raise the hoist (I know this doesn't make it masthead but it's worth reading Nigel Theadom's comments earlier in this strand) do it before you order the kite - it'll make a big difference to the sailmaker.

I'm curious to know more about your Goacher sails, Kev - we've had some problems with ours and consequently I'm thinking about replacing them.

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My Pulpit was scrunched by a Dehler 38 a while ago. I got a J80 pulpit off the shelf for half the price I was quoted to copy the original. You have to move a couple of holes but its better made, sturdier and available if it breaks again. Also, it does not include the forestay fitting, so mangling your pulpt doesn't endnger his rig.

If you're looking for sails, speak to Steve Goacher, I just got some new ones from him, they are very very good, and he's not at all expensive.


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Hi Chaps,

Have been getting a few quotes for a new kite, code 2, 45sqm.

We are thinking about raising the hoist up the mast by about 50cm, which worked very well for Pink Gin this season.  Has anyone else done similar and does anyone have any experience with .90oz vs .75oz spinnaker on a Projection.

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The kicker came off the old one in a big way - ripped the rivets out, distorted the fitting and stripped the track off the bottom. It'd had a kicker failure in the past and, as we needed a new end fitting too, the advice was it'd be cheaper to replace than repair. It wasn't as expensive as I'd feared so we're pretty happy!

Probably a good call keeping that backstay on - first time we raced Upstart in 30kts we went around the windward mark on to a dead run, hoisted the symmetric and as the backstay was being eased the forestay began to bow in a big way so we put it back on quite a bit. Seems you need it to keep the rig in the boat!

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Did the old one break ?, in my boats history there is a mast and a couple of booms listed , there may have been more , I don't know .

Before the windy race ( we were f'cast up to an 8 but they are often wrong ) I put an extra couple of turns on the caps as I've read that the mast likes to be tight in a blow, had no probs but didn't get chance to use kite .Left backstay quite tight off  wind .

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