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    Posted: 06 Aug 09 at 11:24am
Originally posted by English Dave


But your other point reinforces what I'm saying. "We" are all raving
about the RS100 and caning the Devoti.



All I've said is the D-One is ugly. I'm sure it is a dam fine boat to sail.
The RS looks pretty and also looks like a nice boat to sail.

Let's face it, if you are paying for it who's going to go for the ugly one in
the corner even if she has a little more experience? My money would be
spent on the fit pretty one for sure.

The interesting thing about the D-One will be the rules they race under,
it'll be interesting to see what these ' MORE FUN' rules look like. Thing is
that only works at Open Meeting's of a certain critical mass. It isn't going
to work at club level where the majority of sailing happens.







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Originally posted by Guest#260

The 700 brigade will be along in a moment to tell you their PY is more accurate than ours ...

As opposed to the man who's pimping the Musto professionally? Give it a rest...  
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Originally posted by Guest#260

The 700 brigade will be along in a moment to tell
you their PY is more accurate than ours ..


We've been wondering about that of late.

Particularly after this weekend, where your man was upside down under the
sail on the gun. Then having caught us at the gybe he proceeded to ram a
slow handicap boat and have to peel off to do his turns. He finally overhauls
us about a third of the way down the long reaching leg to the destination,
yet still wins on handicap in a 45 minute race.. Now he's good, but not that
good and with two blunders like that....
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Originally posted by English Dave

Originally posted by Guest#260

Have you sailed an MPS or 700? I'd say you are wrong on both points and the Tide results back up at least the performance issue but probably the ease of handling the MPS also contributed to the Tide Ride results on those tight courses.

The MPS was designed long before the 700 and went through an extensive R&D process with long testing and refinement driven by an international panel of expert sailors ... that is why the boat today is the same as it was when it was launched ... I think you should expect the D1 to be equally well tested to its design brief.

As stated, I've not sailed either. Your results from 2006 don't mention whether this was on corrected time or over the water. The PY numbers suggest the 700 is faster.

But your other point reinforces what I'm saying. "We" are all raving about the RS100 and caning the Devoti. But the pedigree heritage of the MPS's design process (or other) brought it to the top of the heap against the 700. Be interesting to see how things settle after the D-One and RS100 have both been in production for a year.

The racing at the Tide Ride was boat for boat; no handicaps. The 700 brigade will be along in a moment to tell you their PY is more accurate than ours ... I have long since stopped caring about the PYs, class racing is where it's at ...
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How many d ones have been sold does anyone know as it will be intresting to see the sales figures we all that rs have pushed the 100 with the offer for first 100 boat being a grand cheaper.Its a shame that we keep mud slinging each boat i am sure the d one is great i think the difference is that alot of people have sailed the 100 compared to the few who have sailed the d one over here it will be good to see the boat have a public test day then i think people can decide if they like it or not for me it looks ok i would think that is a nice boat to sail
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Have you sailed an MPS or 700? I'd say you are wrong on both points and the Tide results back up at least the performance issue but probably the ease of handling the MPS also contributed to the Tide Ride results on those tight courses.

The MPS was designed long before the 700 and went through an extensive R&D process with long testing and refinement driven by an international panel of expert sailors ... that is why the boat today is the same as it was when it was launched ... I think you should expect the D1 to be equally well tested to its design brief.

As stated, I've not sailed either. Your results from 2006 don't mention whether this was on corrected time or over the water. The PY numbers suggest the 700 is faster.

But your other point reinforces what I'm saying. "We" are all raving about the RS100 and caning the Devoti. But the pedigree heritage of the MPS's design process (or other) brought it to the top of the heap against the 700. Be interesting to see how things settle after the D-One and RS100 have both been in production for a year.
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Originally posted by English Dave

It will be interesting to see how it sells internationally against the RS100. The RS700 (LDC) is theoretically quicker and easier to sail than the MPS (Devoti)

Have you sailed an MPS or 700? I'd say you are wrong on both points and the Tide results back up at least the performance issue but probably the ease of handling the MPS also contributed to the Tide Ride results on those tight courses.

The MPS was designed long before the 700 and went through an extensive R&D process with long testing and refinement driven by an international panel of expert sailors ... that is why the boat today is the same as it was when it was launched ... I think you should expect the D1 to be equally well tested to its design brief.

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http://www.mustoskiff.com/reports-and-news/2005/tide-ride.ht m

Anyway this thread is about the D1 ...
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I wouldn't attempt to post on an Italian forum unless i was confident i could converse with other forum members, especially if i was trying to promote a class.

 

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Its how the post is written, or perhaps how it reads!  Not so much its content.

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The point I was trying to make before ILS took offence at my daring to claim that the MPS is slower than the RS700 (and, having sailed neither, I can claim to be unbiased if not experienced)...

...was that on paper the RS700 should have cleaned up. It was faster (can we at least agree that it carries more canvas*) and cheaper, it had stuff like the raking daggerboard and the pump spinnaker system. And yet the MPS is the one everyone has gravitated towards.

And so I am interested as to why. And whether it could happen again. The RS is pretty much a UK class while the MPS has cleverly become an ISAF international class. From speaking to those with direct experience of the respective merits of both dinghies I was told that the build quality of the MPS is second to none while the RS700 was "built to a price". Don't know, could be wrong.

This thread is about the D-One, not the MPS and not the RS700. On paper, It doesn't seem to cut the mustard as well as the RS100. It's more expensive and not as attractive. The weight of opinion on this forum amongst members whose opinions I have read and respected over the past three years say that the RS100 is the one to go for. But Devoti/Victor have got the measure of RS in the past and I am curious whether, with all the superstar endorsements the D-One is getting, Devoti might do it again.

Cheers everyone. Sailing is to make friends. Forums, on the other hand...

* Canvas is me speaking figuratively. I should, for clarity, explain that I mean a combination of mylar and dacron. No, I don't know what weight.
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