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zailor 
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 Topic: Single handed bigger boat!Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 5:43pm |
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Laser Vago.
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Rockhopper
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Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 4:54pm |
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If you want a boat with plenty of room for two and can still sail well then the vareo does tick all the boxes if you need more speed put the kite up then it flys. Now days all boats are very well sorted and as james says old ones are as fast as new ones just put a new set of sails on then you have a level playing.The vision is also a very good boat so the choice is yours the vareos do seem to be holding their money very well. andy Edited by Rockhopper |
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 3:55pm |
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Pay no mind to me, it was a long time ago I suspect and the Vareos that are
around now appear to have no issues, indeed I was trying to buy one only recently and couldn't find one they are that popular or their owners hang on to them. I bought a Blaze, probably not ideal for two although there's certainly room. Be O.K. in lighter weather I guess. |
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EdNewman
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 3:23pm |
oh dear, double quoting doesn't seem to work and it's lost my reply!! I was trying to see if you can expand a bit on the issues with the vareo, done a search here and it comes back with over 20 pages and I don't have the time to read all that. Just checked them out on a few sites and they look like a fun boat that could fit and extra adult for some casual stuff. But I'm still preferring the look of the vision, all dependent on the weight. Edited by EdNewman |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 2:58pm |
Hmm.. Hmmmmm indeed. I wonder if any diligent searching of this fine forum might find previous information contrary to this on the face of it excellent advice.. I'm sure, back in the dim and distant long before the recent love affair with RS there were some fairly heavily expletitive laden descriptions about the Vareo.. By the way what have you decided to call your new 100? Bandit by any chance? |
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tmoore
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 11:20am |
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how about removing the compromise? Find your favourite club local to you, see what doublehanders they sail and get one of those. Im sure if there is a fleet of them you will be able to find a reliable crew.
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Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
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winging it
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 10:50am |
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With respect Ed, you're doing it the wrong way round! trying to get a boat then find a club to match it is going to be hard. It's much more important to find a club where you feel welcome, can get to easily, is family friendly and above all, affordable, THEN see what the sailing area is like, see what is being sailed, try a few boats out (go to a demo centre if need be) then choose your boat.
If the club you choose is decent the sailors will there will always be ready with advice and tips - essential for someone getting back into sailing after a break - and will help you choose a boat that suits the club. If you choose the boat first you might well end up having to travel miles to get to the club that sails them and will probably end up hardly ever going sailing... |
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the same, but different...
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 9:21am |
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The Vision is very heavy! RS quote 125kg, but I'm sure that is just for the hull - couples struggle to get them up the beach at Wilsonian. As they do Laser 2000's. The 2000 was quoted for years as having a hull weight of 100kg - turns out it's actually 140kg, but they still feel easier to manoeuvre on land (and water for that matter) than a Vision (our club boats). Couldn't recommend a 2000, either: they're noted for being pigs to recover in a capsize, and one of our better sailors, an instructor weighing 13 stone was unable to right one singlehanded once it inverted (twice in one day!). I still think the Miracle is the most capacious boat you'll easily lug around ashore on your own unless you have very shallow slips; thery're nice to sail too (nicer than a Vision which is only 10% quicker). If your club has a winch and all your weight issues are over, then I'd go for a Wayfarer; good to singlehand and genuinely large enough for a family. |
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EdNewman
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 8:57am |
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OK, but how heavy is heavy for something like a vision? What with the very good self bailers I should hopefully never have to drag a boat full of water up the slip. I'm not a weakling, but also not a strong man!
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alstorer
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Posted: 03 Aug 09 at 8:52am |
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You've got to compromise. Fundamentally.
Boats that can carry your whole family in comfort are always likely to be fairly heavy. Boats that are simple for single handing are always likely to be a bit cramped for a whole family. Boats that try and straddle the two will almost certainly be low performance. |
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