Tacking in a boats water

   Tacking boat keeps clear
Boat acquiring right of way keeps clear
Lots of obligations on LW accordingly
Given that it sounds like you were ducking as LW tacked sounds like you maybe could have carried on?
Anyway without diagram impossible to say more but I would not want to be LW in the protest room with the facts as you portray them.

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Jon Meadowcroft Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 26 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 64	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jon Meadowcroft Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Tacking in a boats water Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 11:23pm
	Tacking boat keeps clear Boat acquiring right of way keeps clear Lots of obligations on LW accordingly Given that it sounds like you were ducking as LW tacked sounds like you maybe could have carried on? Anyway without diagram impossible to say more but I would not want to be LW in the protest room with the facts as you portray them.

gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 5:34pm
	Agreed, but as I understand it WW had room to duck until LW changed course. It is the ROW boat's cahange of course that creates WW's difficulty. Gordon
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Garry Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536	Post Options Post Reply Quote Garry Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 5:09pm
	If windward was ducking MD on starboard then MD is an obstruction and LW must give WW room if they are overlapped. So might there be a rule 19 (is it now) infringement as well as 16?
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gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 4:58pm
	From the start: MD changes course and gives WW room to keep clear (no issue) MD passes head to wind and keeps clear of WW from that moment until she is on a close hauled course (no issue) MD acqires right of way and gives WW room to keep clear (no issue). WW on port ducks to keep of MD on starboard (no issue). At this point WW is keeping clear of LW (no issue). LW changes course by luffing. As right of way boat she is obliged to give room to WW to keep clear. According to the evidence given WW cannot bear away further, neither does she have room to tack in a seamanlike manner. According to the evidence given it looks like LW broke rule 16.1 by not giving WW room to keep clear and should take a penalty. Two points - 1.LW may well provide contradictory evidence that WW did have room 2. There is no evidence that LW had passed heard to wind. if she had done so she is obliged to keep clear of WW Rule 16 puts an obligation on a ROW boat to ensure that her change of course does not put a keep clear boat in a position that requires her to make unseamanlike manoeuvres to fulfill her obligation to keep clear. Gordon
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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 1:30pm
	Right then....for all those out there who like to digest these... Picture this: 3 boats, all on port. Boat 1 (WW) is to wndward of the other 2 boats but is clear astern of them both. Boat 2 (MD) is the 'middle' boat of the 3 and is clear ahead of boat 1 but overlapped to leeward by boat 2 (LW) Boat 3 (LW) is the leeward of the 3 boats and is clear ahead of boat 1 (but not by much) and overlapped on MD Approaching the starboard layline. MD tacks on to startboard (no issues here, they are clear enough ahead so they do not impede WW by their actions). WW sails high then tries for a late duck just as LW decides to tack. As LW starts to head up to tack they allow WW to become overlapped to windward of them. WW then has nowhere to go, they are committed to the duck and can only tack in the gap (tiny) gap, there is not enough room for them to duck further and duck LW. My question is did LW have the rights to tack (I am crap with diagrams but hopefully you can picture it). For the record I was WW and I did do turns as I was not sure, it was not until after I had the though that perhaps LW should not have tacked where they did. He and I had a quick chat after but neither of us could decide who was right or who was wrong.
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