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At this point everyone starts to get defensive against boats they have
ordered! I understand all GRF's points, but The D-One is not going to be heavy. The mechanics of seperate racks and some of the hardware will add some weight to what is undoubtedly a very light hull. I tend to agree on kicker, fixed kickers are just two limiting. As for a track, sailed with one for years. Can be a great help , but in limited conditions. Unstayed rigs are great and the d-one is probably great on windward leeward courses. However, unstayed with a kite and no stays presents a proplem on club courses. You either have a super stiff mast to try and hold the kite luff and sail tight reaches OR you have some flexibility to provide the upwind gut response- you cannot have both. The videos clearly show the luff falling away on the kite as the mast flexes. The RS100 has stays to prevent this and improve the 'round the bouys performance where most of us sail. I doubt that either boat will disappoint and the D-one will have its market and probably prosper at the top end. In the UK and other areas where are RS are strong, pricing, marketing and the RS brand will make it successful. |
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These discussions remind me a lot of the Musto Skiff v Rs700 discussions from some years ago ... many people made their minds up without sailing both boats. Some people ended up with the wrong boat and ultimatly jumped ship ... and expensive error ... I suggest that the Rs100 & D1 are more different than the MPS/700 and as such I recommend you try both ... don't buy off other people advise make your own informed decision which means sail BOTH .... Edited by Guest#260 |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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No obviously not, but then I wasn't 'invited' to sail it nor I doubt were many others using this Forum.
Yes I can imagine that, it's probably a language thing, I'm not that 'angry' but dont' have a lot of tolerance of 'old technology' which is fairly obvious in the way that boat has been designed. If you want to know more about me ask Mr Poppi from Thomasoni Topsail or Benni Botsano they'll give you an insight to my technical expertise.
Well I will thank you, and I was a journalist once upon a time, but not now, nobody is paying me money so I can remain objective and I have no advertisers pressurising me and this is a free forum which you or your sponsors are happy to enjoy the free publicity from, the risk of course is that there are folk like me who don't think the boat is up to much, or it will not suit their particular sailing venue (as is my case). Your man has designed the boat for people who like sailing the equivalent of a Bugatti, great in its day but long since out moded. None the less I'm glad you are having Fun, enjoy it, unusual though it is to hear from an Italian who has no flair for style.. ![]() ![]() |
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sten ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
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Rodney Cobb http://www.suntouched.co.uk/devoti-one_suntouched2.htm has a demo boat as he said before, "No problem everyone is welcome to try the D-One OH! Did i forget to mention that we have managed to negotiate a special deal for the UK market Rodney" Edited by sten |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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O.M.G what would happen if you test sailed it and actually liked it?
I probably would, it is highly likely to be more stable, it'll almost certainly be faster. But it doesn't make it practical for my sailing venue or build. You'll note I haven't mentioned 'ugly' since surprisingly I don't actually mind the aesthetics, it's the typical Lake Dwellers arrogance that made the MPS so impractical. Nothing arrogant about RS, they ARE listening to what's being written on this forum and it has played a large part of the design brief. That's the difference. There are lots of folk on this forum that don't take to being lectured by sailing deities or being made to feel inadequate if they don't happen to have every day God sends to practise to be one (a saiing deity that is). The danger and I've said it all along, is that sailing professionals will disappear commercially up their own dark places if they don't design fast exciting products that can be used by desk jockeys.. Desk jockeys with the disposable income to finance them. It's no good having a fleet of 37 RS700's that simply don't go out because no-one can sail them yet wont admit as much... |
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I think you now owe it to yourself to try it, GRF. And now we've had your assessment of the 100, we'd like your view of the Devotti.
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matbard ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jul 09 Location: Italy Online Status: Offline Posts: 46 |
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The rudder is not fixed. It's a sliding type.
Actually, my old FD with pivoting centreboard is more jammed by the sand than a sliding same-age Laser's...
The boom is actually 40 cm higher than the Finn's. You have to measure it from the top of the floor, not from the top of the wings...
Mast position is adjustable, as for centreboard position...
Actually, the controls are the SAME of all the boats on the market... A GNAV has been considered, but the sail had to be spliced (as in the 49er) making it heavier or radically modified. The sails are made from a reknown British maker BTW...
To depower effectively a HUGE mainsail... The custom(curved...) rail is made by Harken and Ronstan who developed a specific product for the D-One.
55 Kgs measured on the hull and 7 Kgs measured on the mast. All the sailors(including SA editor and a know British magazine journalist) use to launch and recover the D-One without assistance. Also BTW the first contact I have with the prototype was on the Tyrrhenean Sea...
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The difference is that Luca Devoti listened to people who sailed the boat and accepted their suggestions. Not from forum writers. |
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- Matteo Barducci
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Matteo. All feedback is coming from us normal punters who have and are
sailing the prototypes. The vast majority of sales will be to club sailors, so I reckon RS are spot on here. Its easy to get a few rock stars to sail boats and listen to them, but its the punters who pay the money. ![]() |
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So how do we know which camp you're in ... ? |
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