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    Posted: 09 Jul 09 at 8:56am
At this point everyone starts to get defensive against boats they have
ordered! I understand all GRF's points, but The D-One is not going to be
heavy. The mechanics of seperate racks and some of the hardware will
add some weight to what is undoubtedly a very light hull. I tend to agree
on kicker, fixed kickers are just two limiting. As for a track, sailed with
one for years. Can be a great help , but in limited conditions. Unstayed
rigs are great and the d-one is probably great on windward leeward
courses. However, unstayed with a kite and no stays presents a proplem
on club courses. You either have a super stiff mast to try and hold the kite
luff and sail tight reaches OR you have some flexibility to provide the
upwind gut response- you cannot have both. The videos clearly show the
luff falling away on the kite as the mast flexes. The RS100 has stays to
prevent this and improve the 'round the bouys performance where most
of us sail. I doubt that either boat will disappoint and the D-one will have
its market and probably prosper at the top end. In the UK and other areas
where are RS are strong, pricing, marketing and the RS brand will make it
successful.
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These discussions remind me a lot of the Musto Skiff v Rs700 discussions from some years ago ... many people made their minds up without sailing both boats.

Some people ended up with the wrong boat and ultimatly jumped ship ... and expensive error ...

I suggest that the Rs100 & D1 are more different than the MPS/700 and as such I recommend you try both ... don't buy off other people advise make your own informed decision which means sail BOTH ....



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Originally posted by italian laser s

gfr did you sail the d one? here on garda about 50 sailed the boat during the volvo test
drive week..comments where superpositive.of 5 journalists that sailed the boat two bought !!!

No obviously not, but then I wasn't 'invited' to sail it nor I doubt were many others using this Forum.

Originally posted by italian laser s


to me you sound like angry man that does not understand  about boats.


Yes I can imagine that, it's probably a language thing, I'm not that 'angry' but dont' have a lot of tolerance of
'old technology' which is fairly obvious in the way that boat has been designed. If you want to know more about
me ask Mr Poppi from Thomasoni Topsail or Benni Botsano they'll give you an insight to my technical expertise.

Originally posted by italian laser s


no like the d one....better you sailing the rs 100 and go sail that one so you will calm down.the d one is light
fast and fun , i sailed, it you not!!!! if you do nou understand unstayed rigs because of no experience come to
garda and sail the d one , after you will understand.it is incredible how without sailing the boat you talk like
this ciao aldo , tomorro i post one picture of me sailing the d one and having a lot of fun!!!!!


Well I will thank you, and I was a journalist once upon a time, but not now, nobody is paying me money so I can
remain objective and I have no advertisers pressurising me and this is a free forum which you or your sponsors
are happy to enjoy the free publicity from, the risk of course is that there are folk like me who don't think the
boat is up to much, or it will not suit their particular sailing venue (as is my case). Your man has designed the
boat for people who like sailing the equivalent of a Bugatti, great in its day but long since out moded.

None the less I'm glad you are having Fun, enjoy it, unusual though it is to hear from an Italian who has no flair
for style..


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Rodney Cobb http://www.suntouched.co.uk/devoti-one_suntouched2.htm has a demo boat as he said before,

"No problem everyone is welcome to try the D-One

OH! Did i forget to mention that we have managed to negotiate a special deal for the UK market

Rodney"



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O.M.G what would happen if you test sailed it and actually liked it?

I probably would, it is highly likely to be more stable, it'll almost certainly
be faster.

But it doesn't make it practical for my sailing venue or build.

You'll note I haven't mentioned 'ugly' since surprisingly I don't actually
mind the aesthetics, it's the typical Lake Dwellers arrogance that made
the MPS so impractical.

Nothing arrogant about RS, they ARE listening to what's being written on
this forum and it has played a large part of the design brief.

That's the difference.

There are lots of folk on this forum that don't take to being lectured by
sailing deities or being made to feel inadequate if they don't happen to
have every day God sends to practise to be one (a saiing deity that is).

The danger and I've said it all along, is that sailing professionals will
disappear commercially up their own dark places if they don't design fast
exciting products that can be used by desk jockeys.. Desk jockeys with
the disposable income to finance them.

It's no good having a fleet of 37 RS700's that simply don't go out because
no-one can sail them yet wont admit as much...
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I think you now owe it to yourself to try it, GRF. And now we've had your assessment of the 100, we'd like your view of the Devotti.
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Fixed blade rudder will get jammed with grit and make launching off a beach a pain and impossible on some occasions.

The rudder is not fixed. It's a sliding type. 

Ditto Dagger..

Actually, my old FD with pivoting centreboard is more jammed by the sand than a sliding same-age Laser's... 

Long low boom will dig in exacerbating capsize potential..

The boom is actually 40 cm higher than the Finn's. You have to measure it from the top of the floor, not from the top of the wings...


Mast too far forward, nose will dig in back of waves.

Mast position is adjustable, as for centreboard position... 

Old hat styling and controls, kicker? W.T.F.

Actually,  the controls are the SAME of all the boats on the market... A GNAV has been considered, but the sail had to be spliced (as in the 49er) making it heavier or radically modified. The sails are made from a reknown British maker BTW...

Traveller? In a single hander Why?

To depower effectively a HUGE mainsail... The custom(curved...) rail is made by Harken and Ronstan who developed a specific product for the D-One.

 

And it looks H    E     A V   Y presumaby launched by crane in Lake Garda
about the only place in the world you could be happy sailing it.

55 Kgs measured on the hull and 7 Kgs measured on the mast. All the sailors(including SA editor and a know British magazine journalist) use to launch and recover the D-One without assistance. Also BTW the first contact I have with the prototype was on the Tyrrhenean Sea...

 

 

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

You'll note I haven't mentioned 'ugly' since surprisingly I don't actually
mind the aesthetics, it's the typical Lake Dwellers arrogance that made
the MPS so impractical.

Nothing arrogant about RS, they ARE listening to what's being written on
this forum and it has played a large part of the design brief.

That's the difference.

The difference is that Luca Devoti listened to people who sailed the boat and accepted their suggestions. Not from forum writers.

- Matteo Barducci
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Matteo. All feedback is coming from us normal punters who have and are
sailing the prototypes. The vast majority of sales will be to club sailors, so I
reckon RS are spot on here. Its easy to get a few rock stars to sail boats and
listen to them, but its the punters who pay the money.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Matteo. All feedback is coming from us normal punters who have and are
sailing the prototypes. The vast majority of sales will be to club sailors, so I
reckon RS are spot on here. Its easy to get a few rock stars to sail boats and
listen to them, but its the punters who pay the money.

So how do we know which camp you're in ... ?

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