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    Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 10:29pm
Yet another vote for the miracle, brilliant, lightweightm
controllable but still exciting boats
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If you feel you can all squeeze into a Miracle, that's definitely a course I'd take. Surprisingly roomy in practice, light and lively. One of the few boats you could seriously sail both singlehanded or two-up - most two handers are simply overcanvassed for singlehanding.

Re. the Wanderer, surely they're pretty much as heavy as a Wayfarer? An early example I sailed was actually heavier at 190kg! Less stable and roomy than a Wayfarer too. If the Miracle is too small then I'd certainly consider next whether a Wayfarer is really too heavy for the circs you'll be using it in. A friend has a 2000 and a Wayfarer, and we don't really notice much difference on-shore; afloat the L2k is significantly more tippy and a real problem if you capsize. The Wayfarer is very much on your side in a blow, and you can use a jib rather than a genoa, or even better, a cut-down genoa that I think Mike MacNamara can supply.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Re. the Wanderer, surely they're pretty much as heavy as a Wayfarer? An early example I sailed was actually heavier at 190kg!

I didn't know that. The figures I looked at quoted hull weight; Wanderer 129.5kg vs. Wayfarer 167kg. I know they also do a metal centreplate (as well as wooden)which would obviously add a bit more weight and if it had all the cruiser options added i.e.outboard bracket etc...
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I think the message is that the class weight and the weight of the boat before you can be quite different things! The Wanderer was, as I said, an early example, and the owner had to hack out loads of foam from inside the buoyancy tanks.

But frankly, 167kg, 190kg - you're into 'get help' mode or a winch in either case, aren't you? Often with the L2000's 140kg too (was quoted by Laser as 100kg tilll this season!). But you can easily lug around even a 'heavy' Miracle...
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Miracle with two large adults and two not exactly small
children having fun....

The best thing about the Miracle is if we land on a
remote beach for a picnic two of us can easily pick it up
and carry it out of the water. If the kids are cold I can
send them to get changed whilst I pull it up the slip on
my own - it really is that light.



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Fin.

I have just bee through the same process. Boat for me, other half, 4 year old and another one when he is of age too. I ended up with Miracle, Enterprise and GP14. Miracle no becuase i did not want something made of wood. Enertprise no as this had a too large main and being relatively lighter than  GP14 it would be a bit more "lively".

GP 14 yes. Made of GRP, in biult bouyancey, mark II version has bags of space for the family, oars, anchor, fenders, out board, lunch and beers. Picked it up for £300 including combi trailer. Needed new suspension units, new wheels, repaint in the bilge, I revanished the wood bits, added an outhaul, replaced the shrouds, added some furling gear on the genoa, bought a cover and geneal tidy up of some dodgy gel coat work and a good polish. Additional cost of £300. So for £600 we have a great cruising boat that is 40 years old and will last for another 40.

The thing is I recon with any older boat you will be looking at spending a bit on it after you have bought to get it how you want so I kind of discount that additoinal expenditure.

Oh yes, When look I found the boats on ebay go for an inflated price. If you can by privately.

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There are GRP miracles, just a bit few and far between. My dad owned a
miracle and when I started sailing we would all be out, me, my dad, my
mum and my brother. There's plenty of room and it's an easy boat to sail.
Thumbs up from me.
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What a great photo! The class should have it on their website. Heck, the RYA should have it on their wall to remind themselves why most people do it - it's not all Olympics and squads... not even 10% of it.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

What a great photo! The class should have it on their website. Heck, the RYA should have it on their wall to remind themselves why most people do it - it's not all Olympics and squads... not even 10% of it.


Totally agree

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