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    Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by Peaky

I would avoid the racier boats like the Solo, Blaze, Supernova, Byte and Europe for a first boat.  Its not that they are that much more difficult, but thay are (generally) more expensive, harder to find (and sell) and have individual foibles (fully battened sails, traveller, wings, fragile construction, tippy etc) that are best avoided for the first 6 months of sailing. 

There's quite a few older Solos around (though this time of year is always poor for byuers). They're quite stable (at least - I found it much easier than a laser) and you sit in the boat, not on it.

It also doesn't have the nasty habit of looping the mainsheet around the transom corner and tipping over!

Best advice is to look at what you like, then ask to try one. SOmetimes that's enoguht to make a decision (either way) - we loved the Merlin at first sail, I didn't fit in a Europe, liked the Solo, found the Comet average etc - but that's my  personal view.

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I've now owned our Vago for just over a year. It was our
first boat and to be honest I still think it was a good
choice.

Here are a few points;

It's marketed as both a single handed and double handed
boat which to a certain extent it is. However you need to
be pretty good to sail it well singlehanded and pretty
much need to be able to trapeze otherwise it's a hard
hike in all but the lightest of breezes. From a layout
point of view it's definitely a compromise when single
handing.

I'd agree that it's a bit buoyant on the bow (or heavy at
the rear) which means in light winds the helm would be
sat where the crew would normally be and the crew is
generally asleep on the foredeck (I think there's a few
classes like this though). Having said that, in the
really light winds it's quite competitive.

A lot of people say the Vago is quite tippy. At first I
thought it was too but like most things you get used to
it and now I don't think it's tippy at all. However, the
sides do flare out quite a bit and the boat can lean a
long way over without actually capsizing.

The Vago training weekends run by the class association
and Sail Laser are very good. The GBR 49er crew Mark
Askwith ran the course last year and was excellent.

We sailed both the Laser 2000 and the Vago before
purchasing the Vago and to be honest the 2000 just felt a
bit dull compared to the Vago. The wife really likes the
trapeze so the Vago was always on top.

There's not a lot of them about which is a shame when it
comes to club racing but the RS200 is almost the same on
PY (double handed) and the 2000's are always a boat to be
picked off.

I'm not convinced the plastic boats are that much more
durable than GRP ones. They definitely dent easier and
like mentioned before they are more difficult to repair.


I'm glad I bought it as a first boat. I've learnt a lot
with it and have still got plenty more to learn. I'm sure
we'll upgrade to something more 'acceptable' in the next
couple of year (RS800 tops my list at the moment) but
even then I may keep the Vago in the park for those days
when you really shouldn't go out but we're really glad
you did!







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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 5:28pm

sorry my dad is about 70-75KG.

Im 60kg and was thinking of sinlgehanding it when im not instructiong etc.

It seemed to fill to may roles to be true but was worth looking into.

I can sail it with my little bro were just hevy enough by the sounds of it and I have tried the XD rig with him in a F4 and were a little over powered (hence S rig idea)

as a learning boat how tippy can it be with a reefed main with a competent Dinghy instructor with him?

My dad also insisted he would not be seen dead in an old slow boat that would at some point bore him

I have a dad that doesnt know what too much fun is.

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The standard sail is only smaller than the XD at the top
but that obviously helps with the depowering. With the
standard fully reefed the sail ain't much bigger than a
Pico sail!

I wouldn't worry about it being tippy. As I said, you'll
soon get used to it and wonder what all the fuss was about.

Trapezing is where the fun is at, especially trapezing down
wind with the kite up!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 7:46pm

Pico size is good.

Pico's in a F6 are actually quite a laugh

 

Having a sail that size will be good for my dad to start off and obviously can build up from there.

Hopefully it will be less tippy than the damn 29er I sail lol

 

Okay seems the right boat for us, cheers chaps

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I sailed a vago single handed the other day, we took a vago and my 700 out, both singlehanded. I started in the 700 but the wind died a bit so the guy in the vago asked to have a go in the 7.  He jumped out of the vago and climbed into the 7, and i did the same into the vago, but in the very light winds the vago actually capsized on top of me while I climbed in, so not only is it tippy, but floats high enough to cause this problem too!  I weigh 80kg and the guy in the vago weights 56kg and can manage the XD rig with jib and kite single handed in up to about 18knots.  The vago felt so dull and wasnt nearly as nice to trapeze from as the 7! There is a big step out onto the side which I didnt like at all! When single handed in marginal trapezing conditions the lack of a foot bar inside the hull for stepping out with made it more difficult than the 700!  I didnt enjoy my single handed vago sail, but that was after stepping out of the 7 which is quite a leap down the performance scale!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by zailor

Pico size is good.Pico's in a F6 are
actually quite a laugh




Pico's in an F6 are amazing. I'm having an afternoon of
short course Pico racing as part of my stag doo next month.
Hoping for it to be proper blowing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 8:55pm
Originally posted by laser193713

I didnt enjoy my single handed vago
sail, but that was after stepping out of the 7 which is
quite a leap down the performance scale!

I agree, the Vago isn't the easiest single hander but then
I wouldn't fancy two up in a 700 either - especially as a
first boat

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 9:59pm
Well im asking alot so its going to be a big compramise and the vago covers most bases.

Its a swis army knife in this case.
Does everything okay but does nothing well
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 10:44pm
Originally posted by zailor

Well im asking alot so its going to be a
big compramise and the vago covers most bases.Its a swis
army knife in this case.Does everything okay but does
nothing well

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