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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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There's quite a few older Solos around (though this time of year is always poor for byuers). They're quite stable (at least - I found it much easier than a laser) and you sit in the boat, not on it. It also doesn't have the nasty habit of looping the mainsheet around the transom corner and tipping over! Best advice is to look at what you like, then ask to try one. SOmetimes that's enoguht to make a decision (either way) - we loved the Merlin at first sail, I didn't fit in a Europe, liked the Solo, found the Comet average etc - but that's my personal view. Colin |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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I've now owned our Vago for just over a year. It was our
first boat and to be honest I still think it was a good choice. Here are a few points; It's marketed as both a single handed and double handed boat which to a certain extent it is. However you need to be pretty good to sail it well singlehanded and pretty much need to be able to trapeze otherwise it's a hard hike in all but the lightest of breezes. From a layout point of view it's definitely a compromise when single handing. I'd agree that it's a bit buoyant on the bow (or heavy at the rear) which means in light winds the helm would be sat where the crew would normally be and the crew is generally asleep on the foredeck (I think there's a few classes like this though). Having said that, in the really light winds it's quite competitive. A lot of people say the Vago is quite tippy. At first I thought it was too but like most things you get used to it and now I don't think it's tippy at all. However, the sides do flare out quite a bit and the boat can lean a long way over without actually capsizing. The Vago training weekends run by the class association and Sail Laser are very good. The GBR 49er crew Mark Askwith ran the course last year and was excellent. We sailed both the Laser 2000 and the Vago before purchasing the Vago and to be honest the 2000 just felt a bit dull compared to the Vago. The wife really likes the trapeze so the Vago was always on top. There's not a lot of them about which is a shame when it comes to club racing but the RS200 is almost the same on PY (double handed) and the 2000's are always a boat to be picked off. I'm not convinced the plastic boats are that much more durable than GRP ones. They definitely dent easier and like mentioned before they are more difficult to repair. I'm glad I bought it as a first boat. I've learnt a lot with it and have still got plenty more to learn. I'm sure we'll upgrade to something more 'acceptable' in the next couple of year (RS800 tops my list at the moment) but even then I may keep the Vago in the park for those days when you really shouldn't go out but we're really glad you did! |
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zailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249 |
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sorry my dad is about 70-75KG. It seemed to fill to may roles to be true but was worth looking into. I have a dad that doesnt know what too much fun is. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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The standard sail is only smaller than the XD at the top
but that obviously helps with the depowering. With the standard fully reefed the sail ain't much bigger than a Pico sail! I wouldn't worry about it being tippy. As I said, you'll soon get used to it and wonder what all the fuss was about. Trapezing is where the fun is at, especially trapezing down wind with the kite up! |
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zailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249 |
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Pico size is good.
Having a sail that size will be good for my dad to start off and obviously can build up from there. Hopefully it will be less tippy than the damn 29er I sail lol
Okay seems the right boat for us, cheers chaps |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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I sailed a vago single handed the other day, we took a vago and my 700 out, both singlehanded. I started in the 700 but the wind died a bit so the guy in the vago asked to have a go in the 7. He jumped out of the vago and climbed into the 7, and i did the same into the vago, but in the very light winds the vago actually capsized on top of me while I climbed in, so not only is it tippy, but floats high enough to cause this problem too! I weigh 80kg and the guy in the vago weights 56kg and can manage the XD rig with jib and kite single handed in up to about 18knots. The vago felt so dull and wasnt nearly as nice to trapeze from as the 7! There is a big step out onto the side which I didnt like at all! When single handed in marginal trapezing conditions the lack of a foot bar inside the hull for stepping out with made it more difficult than the 700! I didnt enjoy my single handed vago sail, but that was after stepping out of the 7 which is quite a leap down the performance scale! |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Pico's in an F6 are amazing. I'm having an afternoon of short course Pico racing as part of my stag doo next month. Hoping for it to be proper blowing. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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I agree, the Vago isn't the easiest single hander but then I wouldn't fancy two up in a 700 either - especially as a first boat ![]() Edited by ellistine |
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zailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249 |
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Well im asking alot so its going to be a big compramise and the vago covers most bases.
Its a swis army knife in this case. Does everything okay but does nothing well ![]() |
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