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Mikey 14778 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 298 |
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I reckon that Cherub looks nicer than the D1. In fact it looks pretty good to me. I don't like the
racks though - they spoil the package in much the same way that the stick-on-wings detract from the look of the D1. |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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ROTFLMAO... Italian laser rushes through the door, kicks everyone in the nads, and rushes out again. |
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tickler ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 07 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 895 |
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This forum has a terrible habit of groups of people expressing views from their own small groups, if you see what I mean. Little comment ever comes from outside these groups. There is a large body of people out there sailing in classes which are seldom even mentioned here. I was watching my chums sailing in a Merlin open at Carsington where 26 Solos were also having a great and competitive race. Look at OK's, Ents and many other classes? At our very small club we now have 6 Supernova's being raced every week and I believe Hartleys produce 40 odd per year, on this forum one might say Super...what? Most of those sailors have never heard of Yachts and Yachting they just get on with racing their boats. We also have 4 Lightning 368's so Mark Giles designs outwiegh all others, Mark who? Just remember this forum only represents the "groups" contributing to it whereas the manufacturers see a geater picture. By the way I can still trapeze (as crew) at 63 and have sailed the boys Contender but only in light wind, hiking.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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I agree with you wholeheartedly tickler, forums are the same in any walk
of life, bikes, kites, boards, snow, it's generally a narrow group of frequent posters that can monopolise opinion. But in the short time I've been visiting this one, I think generally the opinions here have broadened, the average age of the posters has increased a bit, when I first turned up it was schoolboy central and cherub club. We have supernovas funny you mention them and I've raced on occasionally, can't say I know enough about the boat to express a serious opinion though. As to the forum ten or twenty times the number of posters however do visit the place and read and hopefully between the lines as well, it is a great modern day asset. I've learned stacks on here, I wouldn't be owning the boat I do had it not been for this place and I bet a lot of the decision making concerning new boats to come may well get formed around the sort of conversations that take place here, so whilst it has plenty of faults, it's still a lot better world with this group than without it imho. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I have to say that come the day I have to sit down in a boat (and it's coming fast!) the supernova would be my first choice. I don't think they have had a bad press on here; I think most people respect them, it's just that not many have sailed them - yet.
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the same, but different...
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Mikey 14778 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 298 |
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I'm sure you're right Tickler, but what are we supposed to do about it ? It's not like I can go back to my club and force the (huge) Solo and Flying Fifteen fleets to get active on this forum. And I'm not at all convinced that manufacturers 'see the big picture'. If I was a big manufacturer of Finns, I might well design something that looked like a Finn for the Noughties, without too much regard for what everyone else in the world was up to. I might then be a bit surprised that some unflattering comments came my way. The bottom line here is that we give our opinions as best we can and (hopefully) without bias, which is not something that the manufacturers can do. ![]() |
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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Not mentioned the build issues then? |
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tickler ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jun 07 Location: Tunstead Milton Online Status: Offline Posts: 895 |
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It's nice that GRF agrees with me, last time he recommended my termination! Re Supernova and build issues, we do have one Hartley built boat which creaks a bit but its been doing that for 3 hard years (at least you can hear it coming!) but what fairly low volume boat does not? Even the mighty RS are not perfect.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Got to be better than Brazilian RS200s... |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Certainly can't see any facts to back up the claim that the Finn Masters is
bigger than the Laser Masters. The Finn Masters Worlds, sailed in the heartland of Europe, got 229 entries, but the last couple of Laser worlds were RESTRICTED to 370 and 450 or so. The last Laser Masters reached the limit of 370 entries within 4 1/2 days of opening entry. The next Masters worlds will require pre- qualification and has a 450 boat (approx) limit. It looks like about 125 German sailors (Junior , Open and Master) turned up to one or more Finn events last year. We got the same number of Laser Masters to a single local regatta in my home town. |
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